Metals touching, produce EM waves

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of hearing clicks and noises on a shortwave SSB radio when touching two pieces of metal together. Participants explore potential explanations for this occurrence, including electrical and physical interactions between the metals, and the role of external factors.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the metals may form a simple electrolytic cell due to the acid in sweat, potentially acting as an antenna that couples energy into the radio receiver.
  • Another participant proposes that long wires could act as receiving antennas, with induced emf or current from external sources causing sparks that emit radio frequencies.
  • There is a mention of the thermoelectric effect as a possible explanation, although some participants express skepticism about its relevance without an applied voltage.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about similar noise issues in radio-controlled model aircraft due to metal contact, noting improvements in radio technology over time.
  • One participant asserts that current flows between the metals upon contact, creating tiny sparks that emit radio waves, and suggests testing this by connecting the metals with a wire to eliminate noise generation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the cause of the observed phenomenon, and no consensus is reached on a single explanation.

Contextual Notes

Some explanations depend on specific conditions, such as the type of metals used, their dimensions, and the presence of external electrical influences. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these interactions.

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Can you help me on this question I had for years?

Every time I touch two metals together (holding them with my fingers) and place a shortwave SSB radio nearby, I hear clicks and noises on the radio.
Why is that happenning?

Has anyone observed this phenomenon before?
 
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Those sparks get in everywhere!
It strikes me that your two bits of metal (dissimilar?) are forming a simple electrolytic cell (battery) via the acid in the sweat of your hand. It the "bits of metal" are, in fact, wires then you would have the basis of an antenna, which would couple this energy into your receiver. If you are just describing the effect with two small metal items then it's a bit harder to understand how the dimensions can account for what you are hearing.
Give us a bit more detail, please.
 
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There is another possibility, which I thought of whilst driving in the car this morning. If your wires are long, then they could be acting as receiving antennae and having an emf induced between them (or even some current from the mains). This can produce a spark when they are close enough, which will contain power at frequency that your receiver is tuned to.
 
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no, as there is no applied voltage
The Seebek effect is the 'opposite' to the Peltier effect. Seebek produces an emf due to temperature difference whilst Peltier produces a heat transfer due to an applied voltage. But I don't think the few mV per junction that Seebek can produce could produce enough emf for a spark. Plenty of current available to work a gas cutoff / flame detector solenoid, though, once you have a good contact.
 
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Metal on metal noise was once a big problem for people like me that flew radio controller model aircraft. If vibration from the engine caused two bits of metal to rub together it could drive the radio control system nuts causing planes to crash. These days radio control systems have much improved and I suspect are virtually immune.

Edit: For info radios I used were typically 27MHz AM then 35MHz FM(PCM) and now they are 2.4GHz Spread Spectrum.
 
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Well, the basic reason is that a current flows between the pieces of metal. The act of making contact creates tiny sparks that emit radio waves.
The current can come from several sources: Galvanic potentials, induced potentials from outside sources, including static electricity (as already mentioned).

You can test this by connecting the pieces of metal with a wire. Now you can make them touch all you want and no noise will be generated (except in very special cases)
 

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