Microwaves and Interference problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics prelab problem involving the measurement of microwave frequencies using a goniometer and the observation of interference patterns. Participants are attempting to determine the correct frequency of microwaves based on the distance moved by a reflector and the number of maxima observed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the problem involving measuring the detector's output and calculating the frequency of microwaves using the equation nλ=dsinθ.
  • Another participant questions the application of the goniometer in this context and suggests a different interpretation of the maxima, proposing that 6 maxima could correspond to 6 half-wavelengths.
  • A third participant confirms the spelling of "goniometer" and expresses confusion about the calculations, indicating that they do not believe the spelling affects the frequency calculation.
  • One participant elaborates on the role of the goniometer in measuring path differences and suggests that the reflector's movement affects the signal detected.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for clarification on how the reflector's position impacts the path difference and the resulting signal at the detector.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations and the application of the goniometer. There is no consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, and multiple interpretations of the setup and calculations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of clarity regarding the experimental setup and how the reflector's movement influences the interference pattern. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between the path difference and the observed maxima.

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I'm working on my physics prelab, but I can't seem to get this answer. The question states:

Measuring the detector´s output as a function of its position along the goniometer (look it up!), we see that there are maxima and minima in the signal. Starting at one of the maxima, we find 6 additional maxima after moving the reflector a distance of 8.91 cm. Therefore, the frequency of the microwaves from this generator is ____________.

The answer is supposed to be in GHz. I've tried using the equation nλ=dsinθ where x≈dsinθ and λ=c/f. That would give f = c*n/x where x = 8.91 cm and n = 6. This gave me 20.2 GHz, but apparently isn't the right answer... Help please??
 
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goniometer ?

did you spell that correctly ?
looking in wiki I can't see how it applies to Measuring the wavelength of an RF signal ??

Maybe it has a use that they or I am not familiar with

doing the math, 8.91cm /6 = 1.485cm
300 (c) / 1.485 = 20.2 GHz ( as you said)
desperately trying to remember if you would see maxima at 1/2 wavelength and as well as each wavelength

in that case 6 maxima would be 6 halfwaves
1.485 x 2 = λ = 2.97 therefore 300 / 2.97 = 10.1 GHz

hopefully someone else will confirm what the correct way is :smile:Dave
 
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@davenn I'm not sure how it applies either, I checked the spelling and it is correct. I don't think it affects how we calculate frequency though... I just don't understand what I'm doing wrong
 
Welcome to PF;
##d\sin\theta ## would normally be a path difference.
Presumably the reflector controls the path difference somehow?

The existence of the interference pattern is shown by changing the angular position of the detector - which is the reference to the goniometer. The goniometer is then used to accurately fix the detector at the angle of one of the maxima.

Then you move a reflector (not the detector - leave the goniometer alone) some linear distance, the signal at the detector decreases, then increases ... when this has happened six times, the mirror is a distance x6 from it's initial position at x0. You are told that x6-x0=8.91cm

How does the position of the mirror affect the signal at the detector?

How much does the path diffreence have to change by in order to put a maxima, once more, on the detector angle?
 
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srh38 said:
@davenn I'm not sure how it applies either, I checked the spelling and it is correct. I don't think it affects how we calculate frequency though... I just don't understand what I'm doing wrong

Isn't a goniometer just an instrument for measuring angles? That would be what you wanted (although not a term which I have come across in this context) for measuring the directions of peaks and nulls in an interference (diffraction) pattern. ? Sounds like shades of the Bragg diffraction formula, even.
So that we're all reading off the same hymn sheet, perhaps a diagram would help. The answer just has to be easy if we are solving the appropriate problem.
 
@srh38: We don't know the setup - so we cannot tell how moving the "reflector" changes the path difference to the detector.
Presumably you know that - so we need to hear from you.
Till then - that's the best I can do.
 

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