Mid-season additions to flu vaccinations?

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The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of the current flu vaccine, particularly the quadrivalent vaccine, and the challenges associated with addressing specific strains like H3N2. Participants explore the reasons behind the vaccine's performance, the time required for vaccine development, and the implications for different age groups, especially the elderly.

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  • Some participants note that the quadrivalent vaccine was developed to provide broader protection against circulating flu viruses by including an additional B virus.
  • Others argue that the H3N2 vaccine only protects against specific parts of the H3N2 virus, and mutations can reduce its effectiveness over time.
  • A participant mentions that it takes approximately five to six months to produce a new vaccine once a strain is identified, although newer technologies may shorten this timeframe.
  • One post highlights that not all flu-like symptoms are due to the flu virus, with varying percentages of symptomatic individuals actually having the flu.
  • Another participant points out that the vaccine's effectiveness can vary significantly across different age groups, particularly noting that the elderly may not respond as well to the vaccine.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the challenges of growing the H3N2 virus in eggs, which may affect vaccine effectiveness, and the potential for new technologies to improve vaccine production.
  • Some participants discuss the existence of higher-dose vaccines and those with adjuvants specifically designed for the elderly, although these have not yet been evaluated.
  • There is mention of ongoing research aimed at developing vaccines that target common parts of the flu virus to provide more enduring immunity.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness of the current flu vaccine and the challenges in vaccine production. There is no consensus on the best approach to improve vaccine efficacy or address the specific issues related to H3N2.

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Participants note limitations in the current vaccine's effectiveness, particularly for the elderly, and the time required for vaccine development. There are also references to the variability in flu symptoms and the challenges of growing certain virus strains for vaccine production.

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As you know, the flu vaccine this season is not doing so well:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectiveness-studies.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/quadrivalent.htm
Why was quadrivalent flu vaccine developed?
For years, flu vaccines were designed to protect against three different flu viruses (trivalent). Trivalent vaccines include an influenza A (H1N1) virus, an influenza A (H3N2) virus and one influenza B virus. Experts had to choose one B virus, even though there are two different lineages of B viruses that both circulate during most seasons. This meant the vaccine did not protect against the group of B viruses not included in the vaccine. Adding another B virus to the vaccine aims to give broader protection against circulating flu viruses.

I thought the problematic strain this year is reported as the H3N2 virus, but the quote above implies that was included in the quadrivalent vaccine. Why can't they offer an additional vaccine to address the strain that is causing the low effectiveness of the vaccine? Does it take too long to culture and produce the vaccine?
 
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H2N2 is a virus subtype, not a specific virus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H3N2

A vaccine for H3N2 will only protect against the targeted parts of a particular H3N2 - and any other viruses that happen to share those parts.

Of course, over the months it takes to develop and deploy the vaccine, the target pieces can change as the virus mutates. That can leave the vaccine less effective than hoped.
 
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It takes approximately five to six months for the first supplies of approved vaccine to become available once a new strain of influenza virus with pandemic potential is identified and isolated.
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_vaccine_20090806/en/

(note: this page is from 2009, so more recent technologies, like cell based or recombinant methods, may have shortened the timespan. However, the page also refers to cases of flu with pandemic potential and not the annual flu vaccine, so it probably represents the fastest possible response with less regard to cost)
 
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Not all influenza symptoms are due to the flu virus.
This wikipedia article says the percentage of those with sympotoms having the Flu virus can vary from 14-70.
 
Here in the UK the issue last year seemed to be that the vaccine didn't protect the elderly as well as it did other age groups.
 
The people responsible for vaccines are also very interested in the problems of H3N2 vaccination, these are the things they have identified as important.

The seasonal epidemics usually involve a number of different flu viruses occurring at different frequency. Type A viruses tend to cause a more sever illness than type B. The type A virus H3N2 is known to cause a disease associated with more complications and it is the complications that generally cause serious illness and deaths. Quite naturally the different strains tend to result in antibody responses that are more or less effective in preventing further disease, in general terms vaccines that target Type A, H1N1 appear around 75% effective, Type B viruses around 54% and the type A H3N2 around 33%. These are population averages but are highly variable, age is a major factor. These differences are magnified in the groups most likely to have a poor vaccine response. In the case of H3N2 the elderly are particularly at risk of a poor response.

Vaccines use example viruses a subtype of a particular strain often named based on where these viruses were collected. The current H3N2 virus used in the vaccine is the B/Victoria lineage, the closer the circulating virus is to the lineage used the more effective it is, however the H3N2 virus seems to mutate at a higher rate than other flu viruses and in areas that effect immunogenicity. The current virus circulating in the US appears to be of a different lineage, the strain was around last year and the year before in the US before Australia was hit hard.

One of the most popular theories relate to vaccine production, H3N2 is harder to grow in eggs, and it may be that the adaptation to growing in eggs may may induce the changes that reduce vaccine effectiveness.
In fact these problems were foreseen based on the Australian experience and there are already available some potential fixes. There are two products available specifically for use in the elderly, one gives a higher dose another uses an adjuvant to try and increase the response rate, these as yet haven't been evaluated. There is already a move towards producing a vaccine using recombinant technology which eliminates the need for growing the virus in eggs as well as being quicker. The quadrivalent vaccine extends the range of viruses covered and there is a huge research effort trying to produce a vaccine which targets parts of the virus that are common to the whole family of flu viruses and give a more enduring immunity.
 
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