The discussion centers on the differing efficacy of COVID vaccines compared to traditional vaccines like measles and smallpox. Unlike these traditional vaccines, which provide a more absolute immunity, COVID vaccines do not guarantee prevention of infection or transmission, leading to breakthrough infections and disease resurgences. The conversation highlights the evolving understanding of vaccine effectiveness, emphasizing that immunity can be a spectrum rather than a binary state. Participants are encouraged to rely on credible sources and maintain a focus on factual epidemiological aspects rather than political implications. Overall, the thread seeks to clarify whether COVID vaccines are fundamentally less effective than other vaccines.