Might inflationary multiverses bumping cause anisotropy?

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The discussion explores the hypothesis that collisions between inflationary universes could account for the anisotropy observed in the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR) and potentially influence galaxy formation. Participants consider the implications of such interactions, the nature of the evidence that could support or refute this idea, and the broader context of cosmological models.

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Main Points Raised

  • DrZ proposes that two inflationary universes could interact gently, leading to observable effects in the CMBR and influencing galaxy formation.
  • Some participants argue that speculative premises allow for any conclusion, highlighting the uncertainty inherent in such discussions.
  • One participant suggests that interactions between inflationary universes could leave mathematical traces consistent with cosmological models, potentially detectable in the CMBR.
  • A later reply mentions that while such interactions might produce observable signatures, the evidence for them is not strong enough to confirm their existence.
  • Another participant asserts that while collisions could leave signatures, the anisotropy produced would not match the observed patterns, suggesting that the directional differences would be too pronounced.
  • Concerns are raised about the timeline of inflation and galaxy formation, indicating that inflation occurs long before galaxies form, thus questioning the role of such collisions in star formation.
  • Some participants note that while signatures of collisions could theoretically be measured, current observations have not detected them.
  • It is mentioned that the nature of the interaction between universes is likely not gentle, contradicting the initial premise of a "gentle" bumping interaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the validity of the initial hypothesis. Some agree that collisions could leave signatures in the CMBR, while others contest the implications for galaxy formation and the nature of the interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the speculative nature of the discussion, noting that many assumptions are unverified and that the implications of such collisions are not fully understood. The discussion also reflects on the limitations of current observational data in confirming or denying these hypotheses.

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Could two Inflationary universes bumping up against one another result in the anisotropy seen in the Cosmic background radiation and thus ultimately lead to galaxy formation? And could the signature for such an event be measured?
It seems two "big bang" universes arising near one another might gently interact before the space between them expands fast enough to separate them. Could this, hopefully gentle, interaction be responsible for the eventual aggregation of matter into stars? If so, such a local interaction like two balloons bumping should leave some measurable "fingerprint" in both.

Eagerly awaiting enlightenment,

DrZ
 
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From a totally speculative premise, you can make any conclusion that you like. No one can prove you wrong.
 
Would not such an encounter leave a trace that would fit with a mathematical model consistent with cosmological models? And could such an interaction not be seen in the CMBR? New observations are so sensitive it seems any predicted ripples or perterbations might be seen.
 
DrZforLife said:
Would not such an encounter leave a trace that would fit with a mathematical model consistent with cosmological models? And could such an interaction not be seen in the CMBR? New observations are so sensitive it seems any predicted ripples or perterbations might be seen.

A guy named Matthew Johnson from the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics recently came to give a talk about this in my department. The short answer seems to be, "yes, people think that bubble collisions would leave observational signatures in the CMB." Some searching revealed that this was probably the paper he made reference to in his talk:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.1995

and also this, its companion:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.3667

For the sake of clarity, he's talking about eternal inflation, a scenario in which our observable universe is a sort of non-inflating "pocket universe" or "bubble" that has separated out of an eternally inflating background, and the theory predicts that many such bubbles or "pocket universes" would exist, each perhaps with different physical constants of nature.

phinds said:
From a totally speculative premise, you can make any conclusion that you like. No one can prove you wrong.

Skepticism is always good, but it turns out the OP was not totally out to lunch here. :wink:
 
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DrZforLife said:
Could two Inflationary universes bumping up against one another result in the anisotropy seen in the Cosmic background radiation

Two inflationary universes bumping against either other would result in anisotropy, but not the anisotropy we see. If you have only two universes, then you'd see massive directional differences which is something we *don't* see.

Thus ultimately lead to galaxy formation?

Nope. Inflation happens a millions of years before galaxy formation. By the time galaxies form, then the universe has settled down. Now you could see a signature in the distribution of galaxies, but this would be some large directional component that we don't see.

Also galaxy formation is a huge unknown, but by the time it happens, the universe is cool enough so that there is little room for "weird physics."

And could the signature for such an event be measured?

Yes it could. We haven't seen it so, there are limits on what can happen.

It seems two "big bang" universes arising near one another might gently interact before the space between them expands fast enough to separate them.

Two universe colliding wouldn't be gentle.

Could this, hopefully gentle, interaction be responsible for the eventual aggregation of matter into stars?

No it couldn't. When stars form, we are in "non-weird" physics at which point, we can rule out weird things happening like colliding universes. (Also, colliding *galaxies* are important in star formation).

If so, such a local interaction like two balloons bumping should leave some measurable "fingerprint" in both.

Yes. And we don't see it (people have looked).

Also you mention two balloons. If you have a large number of balloons things are different...
 
DrZforLife said:
Could two Inflationary universes bumping up against one another result in the anisotropy seen in the Cosmic background radiation and thus ultimately lead to galaxy formation? And could the signature for such an event be measured?
It seems two "big bang" universes arising near one another might gently interact before the space between them expands fast enough to separate them. Could this, hopefully gentle, interaction be responsible for the eventual aggregation of matter into stars? If so, such a local interaction like two balloons bumping should leave some measurable "fingerprint" in both.

Eagerly awaiting enlightenment,

DrZ
The interaction isn't quite so gentle, but yes, it would leave a distinct signature on the CMB if it happened late enough in inflation. Basically, such collisions produce ring-like patterns on the CMB. Some statistical tests of WMAP data show that maybe there is such a pattern, but the detection isn't strong enough to say for sure:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.3667

Edit: Oh, and by the way, it is certainly the case that most of the fluctuations we see on the CMB are not due to any sort of collision.
 

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