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The discussion centers on the first derivative of the area function A(a) = a√(r² - a²/4), which is claimed to be positive everywhere. Participants analyze the derivative A' and its critical points, noting that A' equals zero at a = (2/√5)r but debate its implications. It is clarified that A' remains positive for 0 < a < 2r, indicating the function is increasing in this range. However, A' becomes negative for a > √2r, suggesting a maximum area occurs before this point. The conversation emphasizes the importance of graphing A(a) to visualize these behaviors.
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Homework Statement


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The first derivative of the area ##~\displaystyle A(a)=a\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}## is positive everywhere

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When f'(x)>0 → the function rises

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$$A'=a\frac{1}{2}\left( r^2-\frac{a^2}{4} \right)^{-1/2}\cdot\left( \frac{1}{4} \right)2a+\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}$$
$$A'=...=\frac{2r^2-a^2}{\sqrt{4r^2-a^2}}>0$$
I found A'=0 at ##~\displaystyle a=\frac{2}{\sqrt{5}}r##
 

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Karol said:

Homework Statement


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The first derivative of the area ##~\displaystyle A(a)=a\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}## is positive everywhere

Homework Equations


When f'(x)>0 → the function rises

The Attempt at a Solution


$$A'=a\frac{1}{2}\left( r^2-\frac{a^2}{4} \right)^{-1/2}\cdot\left( \frac{1}{4} \right)2a+\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}$$
$$A'=...=\frac{2r^2-a^2}{\sqrt{4r^2-a^2}}>0$$
I found A'=0 at ##~\displaystyle a=\frac{2}{\sqrt{5}}r##

No: ##A^{\prime} \neq 0## at ##a = r \; 2 /\sqrt{5},## as you can see from your own expression for ##A^{\prime}##.

Anyway, for a rectangle of base ##a## we need ##a < 2r##, so having a maximum of ##A(a)## at ##a > r## is perfectly OK.
 
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$$\frac{2r^2-a^2}{\sqrt{4r^2-a^2}}=0\rightarrow a=\sqrt{2}r$$
But still A'>0 for 0<a<2r
It should be negative for a>√2⋅r
 
Karol said:
$$\frac{2r^2-a^2}{\sqrt{4r^2-a^2}}=0\rightarrow a=\sqrt{2}r$$
But still A'>0 for 0<a<2r
It should be negative for a>√2⋅r

It IS negative for ##a > r \sqrt{2}##.

If you don't believe it, try plotting ##A(a)## for ##r = 1## and ##0 < a < 2##.
 
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