Minus sign in forces in space problem.

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to forces in space, specifically focusing on the significance of a minus sign in the context of vector components and their directions. Participants explore the implications of this minus sign on their solutions and reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the necessity of a minus sign in their solution, noting that it altered some of their answers but not all.
  • Another participant requests the original solution to clarify the steps that may have been omitted in the solutions manual.
  • A participant shares their calculated angles for the components of force, highlighting discrepancies with the solution book, particularly regarding the angle theta_x.
  • There is a suggestion to examine the defined coordinate system in the problem to understand the direction of the x-component of the tension.
  • A later reply indicates that the clarification provided by examining the coordinate system resolved their confusion about the minus sign.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the minus sign and its implications for the solution. While one participant finds clarity after considering the coordinate system, others remain focused on understanding the reasoning behind the sign's necessity.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific angles and components of forces, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of vector directionality and coordinate systems. The discussion does not resolve the broader implications of the minus sign beyond individual interpretations.

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minus sign in "forces in space" problem.

Homework Statement


see picture for problem.


Homework Equations


please see a picture (one is of problem, the other contains the relevant formula).


The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to solve the whole thing, then looked at the solution, and saw that I missed a minus sign (which changed some, but not all of my solutions). I just don't understand why that minus sign (denoted by red arrow) is necessary (besides giving you the right answer). Generally, how do you think through it to know you need one there? Thanks for you help.
 

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Can you post your solution to the problem? The solution you posted is probably from the solutions manual which is meant for instructors, so they skip a lot of steps. It doesn't even show a FBD, so obviously it's difficult to understand their solution.
 
my work...

I've attached a picture of my work (where the minus sign confused me). And you can see that I get a different Theta_x.

My work:
theta_x = 75.5 degrees
theta_y = 30 degrees
theta_z = 64.3 degrees

solution book:
theta_x = 104.5 degrees
theta_y = 30 degrees
theta_z = 64.3 degrees

Also my force F (which is the force CD) has weird components that doesn't really reflect the correct direction. And I know it has to do with that minus sign that I'm struggling with (the minus sign that is pointed to by the red arrow in an earlier picture). I just can't make sense of that minus sign in a logical way.

Thank you.
 

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Look at how the coordinate system is defined in the problem. Which direction is the x-component of the tension CD pointing?
 
that's it? awesome -- thanks a lot! It makes sense now.
 

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