Mirror Alignment: Keck Telescope Instrument Accuracy

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The discussion revolves around the alignment mechanisms used for the mirror segments of the Keck Telescope, specifically focusing on the instruments that ensure accuracy in positioning. Participants explore various technologies and methods related to adaptive optics, sensor types, and the challenges posed by environmental conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions an instrument that vibrates to align mirror segments, seeking its name.
  • Another suggests "adaptive optics" as a possible term related to the instrument.
  • A participant describes the use of lead screws with encoders and laser interferometers for initial positioning, along with optical tests for fine-tuning.
  • There is a mention of the need for mirrors to be aligned in phase for interferometry, which adds complexity to the alignment process.
  • One participant recalls a demonstration involving a vertical rod that produced a musical note when a hand approached it, indicating a possible sensor mechanism.
  • Another participant speculates about a capacitance position sensor, questioning the effectiveness of the mirror coating in providing a signal.
  • Environmental challenges, such as static build-up due to dry conditions at Mauna Kea, are noted as potential issues affecting hardware.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and ideas regarding the alignment instruments, but there is no consensus on a specific instrument or method. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the technology used.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of sensor types and their effectiveness in the context of the Keck Telescope's environment. The discussion includes assumptions about the operational conditions and the nature of the instruments mentioned.

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I saw part of a documentary about the keck telescope, they used an instrument that vibrated if any thing came near it to align the mirror segments, this instrument has fantastic accuracy apparently, can anyone tell me what it is called please.
 
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I am not 100% on this but try searching on "adaptive optics".
 
The keck mirror uses lead screws with an encoder on the motor to position the segments.
There was a laser interferometer to set the initial positions (same one as the JCMT) then you use normal optical tests ( shack-hartman etc) to fine tune it.

For normal imaging operations the mirror only has to be aligned so all the elelments point in the correct direction - for interferometry you also have to have them all in phase, ie. the mirror-focus distance is the same fo rall elements.

There was some tests of a resonant inductive position sensor but it doesn't have any moving parts.
 
I am sorry i only saw part of the program, i think it was Richard Hammond demonstrating how this thing worked, it looked like a vertical rod connected to some electronics, as soon as he put his hand near it it produced a musical note.
 
The instrument measured the change in the electric field (not sure it was electric, but it was some sort of field :P) around it.

I saw that program too.
 
Didn't see it but you could imagine a capacitance position sensor, don't know if the mirror coating would be thick enough to give you much of a signal but you could sense the support metalwork.

Shoudl work well on Keck, a big problem on Mauna Kea (and most astronomical sites) is that it's so dry you get huge static build-up. You kill a lot of hardware and learn to touch car doors with the key before your fingers!
 

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