Exploring the Absence of Down/Anti-Down Mesons: A Supposition in Meson Lists

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In summary, the conversation discusses the absence of a down/anti-down meson in the list of mesons and explains that this is due to the similar masses of up and down quarks. It is suggested that the up/anti-up and down/anti-down particles exist only as a single particle that is a linear combination of the two, rather than separate entities. The concept of conservation laws and the dynamic nature of hadrons are also mentioned in relation to this topic.
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In list of Mesons like this you see charm/anti-charm, strange/anti-strange and bottom/anti-bottom. You don't see up/anti-up or down/anti-down. Instead you see up/anti-down or (up/anti-up and down/anti-down) in supposition.

Why no down/anti-down meson?
 
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Ever heard of neutral pions? They are a linear combination of ##u\bar u## and ##d\bar d##. Then there are the eta mesons, which are linear combinations also involving ##s\bar s##.
 
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Ever heard of neutral pions? They are a linear combination of ##u\bar u## and ##d\bar d##. Then there are the eta mesons, which are linear combinations also involving ##s\bar s##.

Yes, I mentioned in my original post: (up/anti-up and down/anti-down) in supposition.

The question remains about this particular meson: Why no down/anti-down meson?
 
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Because the up and down quarks have such similar masses, which are very small in comparison to the mass of mesons. You can think of it like the strong interaction can replace a pair of ##u\overline{u}## valence quarks with a ##d\overline{d}## pair without violating any conservation laws.
 
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Because the up and down quarks have such similar masses.
Makes sense. Does that mean
1. we just can't tell the up/anti-up and down/anti-down particles apart, or
2. the up/anti-up and down/anti-down particles do not exist by themselves and there exists only a single particle that is a linear combination (or supposition) of the two?
 
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The second one. The light unflavoured neutral hadrons are superpositions of ##u\overline{u}##, ##d\overline{d}## and sometimes ##s\overline{s}##. Hadrons are dynamic interacting bound systems. If no conservation law forbids the changing of the valence quark flavours then it will happen.
 
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Another way to count particles: We have ##\pi##, ##\eta## and ##\eta'## and three light quarks - fits. The particles are not pure "one quark and its antiquark" states, and the extremely similar up and down masses lead to a single light meson (with negligible strange/antistrange content) and two that are a bit heavier (with significant strange/antistrange content).
 
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1. What is the purpose of exploring the absence of down/anti-down mesons?

The purpose of this exploration is to understand the potential existence of a new type of meson, specifically a down/anti-down meson, and its implications for our understanding of fundamental particles and their interactions.

2. What methods are being used to search for the presence of down/anti-down mesons?

Scientists are using particle accelerators, specifically large hadron colliders, to create and study collisions between particles, looking for evidence of down/anti-down mesons in the debris produced by these collisions.

3. How does the absence of down/anti-down mesons impact our current understanding of mesons?

If down/anti-down mesons are not observed, it would challenge our current understanding of mesons as being composed of a quark and an anti-quark. It could also suggest the existence of new, more complex particles that have not yet been discovered.

4. What are the potential implications of finding evidence for down/anti-down mesons?

Finding evidence for down/anti-down mesons could have significant implications for our understanding of the strong nuclear force and the Standard Model of particle physics. It could also open up new avenues for research and lead to a deeper understanding of the fundamental building blocks of the universe.

5. How long has this exploration been ongoing and what progress has been made so far?

This exploration has been ongoing for several decades, with scientists continuously improving and upgrading their methods and technologies. While there have been some interesting observations and data, no conclusive evidence for down/anti-down mesons has been found yet. However, the search continues and new discoveries are being made all the time.

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