Mobius strip computing unit normal field at 2 points

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the unit normal field for a Möbius strip, specifically at two points, (0,1,0) and (0,-1,0). The problem involves a parametrization of the Möbius band and requires the application of derivatives and cross products to find the normal fields associated with two different restrictions of the parametrization.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to compute derivatives to find tangent vectors and how to substitute the given points into the parametrization. There is uncertainty about how to relate the (x,y,z) coordinates to the parameters (s,t) in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring how to approach the substitution of values into the derivatives and the cross product calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding determining the parameters s and t for the given points, but no consensus has been reached on the method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the challenge of substituting points into a parametrization that involves two variables, which complicates the process of finding the unit normal fields. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between the given points and the parameters of the Möbius strip.

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Homework Statement


I am given this parametrization of the mobius band:
F(s,t) = (cos(t)+s*cos(t)*cos(t/2), sin(t)+s*sin(t)*cos(t/2), s*sin(t/2))
Let F1 be F restricted to (0,2*pi) X (-1,1).
Let F2 be F restricted to (-pi,pi) X (-1,1).
let N1 be the unit normal field determined by F1
let N2 be the unit normal field determined by F2

The question reads:
Compute the unit normal field for N1, N2 at the points (0,1,0) and (0,-1,0).

Homework Equations



N(t) = (dF/ds X dF/dt)/ ||dF/ds X dF/dt||


The Attempt at a Solution



I am unsure how to begin on this. I am looking for a starting block. Obviously I want to plug in the point before taking cross products? How do I do this when F(s,t) takes 2 parameters, but I am given a point of the form (x,y,z). This is troublesome. I have computed the partials dF/ds and dF/dt, but I don't know what to do with them.. I don't want to take this nasty cross product.

thanks
 
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take the derivatives to find the tangent vectors aligned with each parameter

then substitute in the given values & calculate the cross products, shoudln;t be too messy after substitution
 
That is exactly my question. How do I substitute in the given values?
 
you'll need to determine s & t for the given points first, to do that consider what would lead to the terms being zero
 

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