Model Rocket Launch: Impulse, Max Height, and Descent Explained

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The discussion revolves around the calculations for a model rocket's launch, focusing on impulse, acceleration, maximum height, and time to reach that height. The initial calculations yielded an acceleration of 30.19 m/s², but a participant's teacher later confirmed a corrected value of 30.2 m/s². Discrepancies arose regarding the maximum height and time to reach it, with the teacher suggesting a maximum height of 246 m and a time of 8.15 seconds, while other participants provided different calculations leading to a maximum height of 307 m and a time of 3.2 seconds. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying kinematic equations and the conservation of energy principles in solving the problem. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the need to verify calculations and understand the physics concepts involved.
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can some one just check my work please

Homework Statement



model rocket of mass .250 kg is launched vertically with an engine that is ignited at time= 0, the engine provides 20 N.s impulse by firing for 2 sec . upon reaching its maximum hight the rocket deploys a parachute and then desends vertically to the ground.


a) find acceleration during the 2sec firing
b) what will be the max hight
c) at what time after t=0 will the max hight be reached

Homework Equations



impulse or change in momentum = F x t ... sumFy = ma = F*engine* - F *gravity* or mg
change in y = v inital x t + 1/2 a t^2

The Attempt at a Solution



using first equation---> F t = change p ---> F 2 = 20 --> F= 10 N
then second equation F *motor* = ma + mg ---> after you solve for F*motor that is *
10=(.250)a+(.25)(9.81)----> a= 30.19 m/s^2

that was for part A of the question and for part C

i found velocity using p=mv final - mv inital ---> 20= (.25)v -0 since it starts from rest ----> velocity = 80 m/s

then i used the equation Vf^2 = V init ^2 + 2 a change y ----> 6400= 2(30.19) change y , since v init was 0 it cancels ----> and got change in y = 105.995 m

for D

i used the formula: delta y =( velocity init ) ( time) + 1/2 (acceleration ) (time^2) ---> 105.995= 1/2 (30.19) (time^2) since velocity init was 0 that part cancels ----> t= 2.65 s, and it would make sense because its after 2 s




thanks in advance!
 
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robair said:

Homework Statement



model rocket of mass .250 kg is launched vertically with an engine that is ignited at time= 0, the engine provides 20 N.s impulse by firing for 2 sec . upon reaching its maximum hight the rocket deploys a parachute and then desends vertically to the ground.

...

Homework Equations



impulse or change in momentum = F x t ... sumFy = ma = F*engine* - F *gravity* or mg
change in y = v inital x t + 1/2 a t^2

The Attempt at a Solution



using first equation---> F t = change p ---> F 2 = 20 --> F= 10 N
then second equation F *motor* = ma + mg ---> after you solve for F*motor that is *
10=(.250)a+(.25)(9.81)----> a= 30.19 m/s^2

...

Why are you using impulse? This looks to be a straight-forward kinematics question, you should just use your Newtonian kinematics equations:

<br /> y=v_{y0}t+\frac{1}{2}a_yt^2<br />

<br /> v_{yf}^2=v_{y0}^2+2a_y(y-y_0)<br />

<br /> v_{yf}=v_{y0}+a_yt<br />
 


well because in the question it gives you impulse...
 


robair said:
well because in the question it gives you impulse...

Right...seemed to have skipped over that word.

So

<br /> \mathbf{F}_{eng}\Delta t=\Delta p\rightarrow \mathbf{F}_{eng}=10 \mathrm{N}<br />

I agree here. But I get

<br /> \sum\mathbf{F}=\mathbf{F}_{eng}-\mathbf{F}_{grav}=m\mathbf{a}\rightarrow \mathbf{a}=\frac{1}{m}\left(\mathbf{F}_{eng}-\mathbf{F}_{grav}\right)=\frac{1}{0.25}\left(10-9.8\right)=0.8 \mathrm{m/s^2}<br />
 


well i actually asked my physics teacher and he said i got A right so acceleration is 30.2 but i got B and C wrong... he gave me the right answers for B (246m) and C (8.15s) so the thing right now is to figure out what i did wrong in B and C
 


robair said:
well i actually asked my physics teacher and he said i got A right so acceleration is 30.2 but i got B and C wrong... he gave me the right answers for B (246m) and C (8.15s) so the thing right now is to figure out what i did wrong in B and C

Hmm...I get different answers than your teacher, particularly on the time part.

This is how I went about solving it:
The height of the rocket immediately after the engine burns out is given by

<br /> y_b=at^2=(30.2)(2)^2=120.8\,\mathrm{m}<br />

The velocity at this point is given by

<br /> v_b=v_0+at=0+30.2\cdot2=60.4\,\mathrm{m/s}<br />

So at the end of the engine burn, the rocket has total energy

<br /> E=K+U=\frac{1}{2}mv_b^2+mgy_b=752\,\mathrm{J}<br />

At the maximum height, the particle has zero velocity but through the conservation of energy, it has the same energy:

<br /> E=U=mgy_{max}=752\rightarrow y_{max}=307\,\mathrm{m}<br />

The total time of this is then given by

<br /> y_{max}=at^2\rightarrow t=\sqrt{\frac{y_{max}}{a}}= \sqrt{\frac{307}{30.2}}=3.2\,\mathrm{s}<br />

Even using your teacher's result of 246 m for y_{max} gives me a value of 2.85 s; however if you forget to take the square root of this number, you do get 8.15 (that is, if you say t=y_{max}/a=246/30.2=8.15[/itex], but this is not correct).
 
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