Modelling Water Tanks: Solving with Bernoulli Equation

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The discussion centers on the application of the Bernoulli equation to model the behavior of water levels in two connected tanks. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem, the assumptions made, and the implications of the derived equations over time.

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  • One participant presents a derivation using the Bernoulli equation, assuming the velocity of water in the large tank is negligible and both surfaces are at atmospheric pressure.
  • Another participant suggests that integrating the equation correctly might resolve issues with the derived function.
  • A third participant points out that the derived equation is valid only up to a certain time limit, after which the height remains constant at the level of the larger tank.
  • Further, a participant acknowledges a misreading of the original equation and discusses reducing the final equation to a dimensionless form, introducing a characteristic time for the system.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the initial derivation and the implications of the resulting equations. While some agree on the validity of the approach, others highlight limitations and suggest corrections, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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There are assumptions regarding the initial conditions and the behavior of the system over time that have not been fully explored. The discussion also involves the interpretation of the derived equations and their physical implications.

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Individuals interested in fluid dynamics, mathematical modeling of physical systems, and the application of the Bernoulli equation in practical scenarios may find this discussion relevant.

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I tried using the Bernoulli equation to solve this. I took two points at the surface of the water in both the containers and formed this equation:
gh_{b}=\frac{1}{2}v^2+gh
This is assuming that the velocity of the water in the large tank is approximately zero and using the fact that both the surfaces are at atmospheric pressure. Then, I solved for the velocity and said that this is equal to the rate of change of the height of the water in the narrow cylinder.
\frac{dh}{dt}=\sqrt{2g(h_{b}-h)}
Finally, solving this with the assumption that h starts at 0, I got:
h=\sqrt{2gh_{b}}t-\frac{1}{2}gt^2
But looking at this function, it increases to the height h_{b} and then decreases again. This obviously does not happen; it would just stay at that height forever. So what have I done wrong?
 

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Chestermiller said:
Integrating the equation correctly might help.
It looks correct to me. Substituting it back into the original equation satisfies it.
 
Your equation is valid from h:0 to h:hb. So, if you solve it for h=hb, you will find your upper limit for t (call it tb).

From 0 to tb you can use your solution for h(t).
For t>tb, dh/dt=0 and so h=hb.
 
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Alexander350 said:
It looks correct to me. Substituting it back into the original equation satisfies it.
Sorry. I misread your equation. You are, of course, correct.

It is interesting to reduce your final equation to dimensionless form as follows:

$$\frac{h}{h_b}=\left(\frac{t}{\tau}\right)-\frac{1}{4}\left(\frac{t}{\tau}\right)^2$$ where the characteristic time ##\tau## is given by $$\tau=\sqrt{\frac{h_b}{2g}}$$
The level in the small tube rises to that in the large tank when $$t=2\tau=\sqrt{\frac{2h_b}{g}}$$
 
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