Moment of inertia for non homogeneous density.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia for a 55-gallon barrel that is partially filled with fluid and is intended to spin at approximately 5-10 rpm. Participants explore the implications of non-homogeneous density in this context, as well as the effects of the fluid's motion on the overall kinetic energy of the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the standard formula for the moment of inertia of a hollow cylinder but questions its applicability due to the non-uniform density of the fluid inside the barrel.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the necessity of considering the fluid's moment of inertia if the barrel is rolling in place, suggesting that the fluid may not contribute to the moment of inertia.
  • A participant seeks to understand how to incorporate the fluid's effect on the total kinetic energy of the barrel and fluid system, indicating a need for the moment of inertia in this calculation.
  • It is suggested that the fluid will still have some kinetic energy due to sloshing, and that friction between the fluid and the barrel could lead to heating, which may need to be experimentally measured.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of the fluid's motion in contributing to the moment of inertia and kinetic energy calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to account for the non-uniform density and the fluid's dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a clear method for calculating the moment of inertia with non-homogeneous density, as well as the dependence on experimental measurements to fully understand the system's behavior.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying dynamics, fluid mechanics, or anyone involved in mechanical design where non-uniform density and rotational motion are relevant.

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Ok so I am trying to figure how I would find the moment of inertia for a special case. I have a 55 gallon barrel that is almost half way full and I am suppose to spin it roughly 5-10 rpm.

I know that to find the momement of interia of a hollow cylinder with thick walls is simply
I = 1/2M(r(1)^1+r(2)^2) yet this equation is too simple for this situation

I also know that
I = ρ ∫r^2 dV However this is for a homogenous density, which is not this case.

I am wondering what is the best way to find the moment of intertia for a non uniform density.

I have attached a picture for clarity.

Thanks for reading.
 

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Hi Teachme! :smile:

I don't understand :redface:

if the barrel is rolling (in place) as shown in the diagram, then why would the fluid rotate at all (and so why would you need its moment of inertia)? :confused:
 
I think you are right. Since the fluid has no speed you are saying it does not add to the moment of inertia?. I am trying to find the total kinetic energy of the barrel and the fluid in the barrel when it is spinning 5rpm. I know that I need the moment of inertia to find the total kinetic energy... So how would I go about incorporating the the fluid inside the barrel effect my situation? Would I have to use torque for this? My final goal is finding what size motor i need to get it to spin. (not my question however).

Thank you again for your help, I appreciate it very much.
 
Teachme said:
… to find the total kinetic energy... So how would I go about incorporating the the fluid inside the barrel effect my situation? Would I have to use torque for this? My final goal is finding what size motor i need to get it to spin.

Well, the fluid will still slosh about a bit, so it'll have some kinetic energy, and also there'll be heating from the friction between the fluid and the barrel.

I think the only way you could find that is to carry out experiments, and actually measure either the power needed or (for example) the temperature rise in the fluid.
 

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