Moment on a a semi quarter plate

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The discussion revolves around calculating moments on a semi-quarter plate in a three-dimensional context. Participants are exploring the appropriate points or axes for moment calculations, questioning the setup and forces involved.

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  • Participants discuss the choice of axes for moment calculations, with suggestions to select points where unknown forces act through them. There are questions about the forces involved and the validity of the equations presented. Some participants express confusion regarding the initial setup and the presence of extra terms in the equations.

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Several participants have offered guidance on how to approach the moment calculations, emphasizing the need to consider moments about axes rather than points. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to resolve the equations, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct approach.

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I have 750+CD +200=200-Fay -Fby = 0
then can someone suggset at which point or axis i should calculate the moment ? seems like no point / axis is suitable to do that ...

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I don't lnow why you have an extra 200 on each side, but since they cancel it doesn't matter.
You mean Faz and Fbz, no?
Which way does the force act in CD?

For choice of axis, it usually helps to pick a point with one or several unknown forces acting through it, so they do not feature in the equation. You will need equations for more than one axis, but they can pass through the same point.

You should be able to knock off Fax and Fay straight away.
 
haruspex said:
ch side, but sin
haruspex said:
I don't lnow why you have an extra 200 on each side, but since they cancel it doesn't matter.
You mean Faz and Fbz, no?
Which way does the force act in CD?

For choice of axis, it usually helps to pick a point with one or several unknown forces acting through it, so they do not feature in the equation. You will need equations for more than one axis, but they can pass through the same point.

You should be able to knock off Fax and Fay straight away.
for moment about A , i have 350(1) +CD(3) +200(3)+200(3√2)-FBZ(3√2) = 0
1798.5=-3CD+FBZ(3√2)
for moment about B , i have -200(1.55)-3CD-350(√13)+FAZ(3√2) =0
-1572=3CD-FAZ(3√2)
for moment about C, i have -350(2)+FAZ(3)+200(3)+200(3)-3FBZ= 0
500=3FBZ-3FAZ

I have tried to plug in the ans to see whether my working is correct or not . but , unfortunealy , my ans is wrong ...
the given ans is FBZ= 373N , FAZ=333N , CD=43.5N
 
In a 3D world, moments are not about a point but about an axis. Follow Haru's advice and look at moments about AC and about AB
 
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BvU said:
In a 3D world, moments are not about a point but about an axis.
To clarify, you can take moments about a point, but the moment you get will have an axis. That is, it will be a vector.
You can also choose to take moments about specific axes through the point. In that case each moment will be the component of the total moment parallel to the chosen axis. It's analogous to finding the net force as a vector, or finding the components of the net force along chosen axes.
werson tan said:
for moment about A , i have 350(1) +CD(3) +200(3)+200(3√2)-FBZ(3√2) = 0
As BvU indicates, this does not work. Those individual moments do not all have the same axis, so you cannot add them as scalars. Either find them as vectors, or take moments separately about the x, y, z axes through the point.
 
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