Monochrome interference microphone

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a monochrome light microphone that utilizes interference patterns to detect sound waves. Participants explore the design, potential challenges, and existing technologies related to this idea, including the use of monochrome light sources and detectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a microphone design using a monochrome light source, a reflective membrane, and multiple detectors to detect movement based on interference patterns.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of visible light due to its many wavelengths per millimeter, suggesting that a low infrared monochrome source might be more suitable.
  • Another participant mentions existing laser interferometer systems that measure position changes through intensity variations, suggesting a potential adaptation for the proposed microphone.
  • A participant questions the necessity of using a laser, proposing that a Young's double slit setup could achieve similar results without the risks associated with lasers.
  • There is a discussion about the number of detectors needed to determine the direction of movement, with one participant suggesting that two detectors spaced a quarter wavelength apart could provide this information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of lasers versus other light sources, as well as the optimal number of detectors for direction detection. No consensus is reached on these points, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential challenges related to light source selection and the complexity of interference patterns, but do not resolve these issues. The discussion remains open to various interpretations and approaches.

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Idea for a microphone.

Hi People!
I've had an idea for a monochrome light microphone, which I have rendered as a drawing, attached.
The detector consists of a monochrome source (l.e.d.), a reflective membrane (gold leaf) some distance from the source, a static reflective element, and several randomly-placed detectors, 3 of which are shown.
The idea is that as the membrane moves towards or away from the plane of the source and detectors, each detector will be excited at different times, when constructive interference exists between the light reflected from the moving membrane and the light reflected from the static reflectors.
As a sound wave pushes the membrane towards the detectors, the detectors will tend to be excited in some characteristic repeating sequence, I hope; the order will be reversed when the membrane is moving away from the detectors.
With 'towards' and 'away' discrimination provided by the sequence discriminator, a count can be incremented or decremented respectively. The count therefore shows the position of the gold leaf.
Questions & Problems
First, I wonder whether this has been tried before, and then I'm looking for any ideas on how to train some kind of sequence discriminator to recognise "toward" and "away" movements of the membrane.
The biggest problem is the light. I think I'd be a lot better off using a low infrared monochrome source than a visible light source. This is because there are so horrendously many wavelengths of visible light per millimeter. It would be better to use a wavelength of hundreds of nanometers, if practicable.

Still, it's just an idea at this stage... any thoughts?
 

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poor mystic said:
Idea for a microphone.

Hi People!
I've had an idea for a monochrome light microphone, which I have rendered as a drawing, attached.
The detector consists of a monochrome source (l.e.d.), a reflective membrane (gold leaf) some distance from the source, a static reflective element, and several randomly-placed detectors, 3 of which are shown.
The idea is that as the membrane moves towards or away from the plane of the source and detectors, each detector will be excited at different times, when constructive interference exists between the light reflected from the moving membrane and the light reflected from the static reflectors.
As a sound wave pushes the membrane towards the detectors, the detectors will tend to be excited in some characteristic repeating sequence, I hope; the order will be reversed when the membrane is moving away from the detectors.
With 'towards' and 'away' discrimination provided by the sequence discriminator, a count can be incremented or decremented respectively. The count therefore shows the position of the gold leaf.
Questions & Problems
First, I wonder whether this has been tried before, and then I'm looking for any ideas on how to train some kind of sequence discriminator to recognise "toward" and "away" movements of the membrane.
The biggest problem is the light. I think I'd be a lot better off using a low infrared monochrome source than a visible light source. This is because there are so horrendously many wavelengths of visible light per millimeter. It would be better to use a wavelength of hundreds of nanometers, if practicable.

Still, it's just an idea at this stage... any thoughts?

One variation of your idea that exists today for position measurement is the laser interferometer systems like these from Agilent:

http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?nid=-536900386.0.00&lc=eng&cc=US

So instead of using multiple detectors to figure out movement, you use the changes in intensity from constructive/destructive interference to tell you how many wavelengths the distance has changed.

You might be able to make a small version of this for your microphone, using a laser diode. I'm not sure what the coherence length of a typical low-cost laser diode is, though. You could use a laser pointer's diode for initial experimentation (but please wear laser eye protection if you start working with laser diodes).
 
Thanks Berkeman!
Still, I'm sure the professional systems use more than 1 detector, otherwise they wouldn't be able to detect the sense of any movement - whether it is towards or away from the detector.
I've made a small advance in understanding. If just 2 detectors are 1/4 wavelength apart the order in which they detect the changeing sums of interfering waves shows the sense of the movement.
 
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Further question:
I've been turning this over and over in my mind and I just don't see why a laser should be required. It seems to me that a Young's double slit should work just as well, with no dangerous lasers. Perhaps I got that wrong?
 

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