MHB Can You Solve These Challenging Definite Integral Problems?

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The discussion presents a series of challenging definite integral problems, highlighting various techniques for solving them. Key strategies include using symmetry and substitution to simplify the integrals, such as transforming variables and leveraging properties of sine and logarithmic functions. Specific integrals are solved step-by-step, demonstrating how to arrive at final results through clever manipulations. The conversation emphasizes the enjoyment and educational value of tackling complex calculus problems. Overall, the thread showcases the beauty of mathematics through intricate integral challenges.
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Fun! Fun! Fun! Here are more entertaining problems:

1.\( \displaystyle \int_{2}^{4} \frac{\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}}{\sqrt{\ln(3+x)}+\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}}dx\)

2.\( \displaystyle \int_{\sqrt{\ln(2)}}^{\sqrt{\ln(3)}}\frac{x \sin^2(x)}{\sin(x^2)+\sin(\ln(6)-x^2)}dx\)

3.\( \displaystyle \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\frac{1}{1+4563^x}\frac{\sin^{6792}(x)}{\sin^{6792}(x)+\cos^{6792}(x)}dx\)

4.\( \displaystyle \int_{0}^{2} \frac{dx}{(17+8x-4x^2)(e^{6(1-x)}+1)} \)

These problems are very simple only if you know the right trick.
 
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sbhatnagar said:
Fun! Fun! Fun! Here are more entertaining problems:

1.\( \displaystyle \int_{2}^{4} \frac{\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}}{\sqrt{\ln(3+x)}+\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}}dx\)
Put $x \mapsto 6-x$ then we've $ \begin{aligned} I & = \int_{2}^{4}\frac{\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}}{\sqrt{\ln(3+x)}+\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}}\;{dx} = \int_{2}^{4}\frac{\sqrt{\ln(3+x)}}{\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}+\sqrt{\ln(3+x)}}\;{dx}\end{aligned}$.
Add these together and we've $\begin{aligned}2I = \int_{2}^{4}\frac{\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}+\sqrt{\ln(3+x)}}{\sqrt{\ln(3+x)}+\sqrt{\ln(9-x)}}\;{dx} = \int_{2}^{4}\;{dx} = 2.\end{aligned}$ Therefore $I = 1$.
 
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Whenever I teach Calculus I assign the following homework problem (same idea):

$$ \int_0^2 \frac{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log (1+x) \right) }{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log(1+x) \right) + \sin^{2012} \left( \log(3-x)\right) } ~ dx $$
 
sbhatnagar said:
3.\( \displaystyle \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\frac{1}{1+4563^x}\frac{\sin^{6792}(x)}{\sin^{6792}(x)+\cos^{6792}(x)}dx\)
Put $x \mapsto -x$ then we've $\begin{aligned} I = \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\frac{1}{1+4563^{x}}\frac{\sin^{6792}{x}}{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}\;{dx} = \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\frac{1}{1+4563^{-x}}\frac{\sin^{6792}{x}}{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}\;{dx}.\end{aligned}$
Add them to get $\begin{aligned}2I = \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\bigg(\frac{1}{1+4563^x}+\frac{1}{1+4563^{-x}}\bigg)\frac{\sin^{6792}{x}}{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}\;{dx} = 2\int_{0}^{\pi/2}\frac{\sin^{6792}{x}}{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}\;{dx}.\end{aligned}$
Let $x \mapsto \frac{\pi}{2}-x$ then $\begin{aligned}I = \int_{0}^{\pi/2}\frac{\sin^{6792}(\frac{\pi}{2}-x)}{\sin^{6792}(\frac{\pi}{2}-x)+\cos^{6792}(\frac{\pi}{2}-x)}\;{dx} = \int_{0}^{\pi/2}\frac{\cos^{6792}{x}}{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}\;{dx} \end{aligned}$, add them to get:
$\begin{aligned}2I = \int_{0}^{\pi/2}\frac{\sin^{6792}{x}}{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}\;{dx}+\int_{0}^{\pi/2}\frac{\cos^{6792}{x}}{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}\;{dx} = \int_{0}^{\pi/2}\frac{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}{\sin^{6792}{x}+\cos^{6792}{x}}\;{dx} = \frac{\pi}{2}. \end{aligned}$ Thus $\begin{aligned}I = \frac{\pi}{4}.\end{aligned}$

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ThePerfectHacker said:
Whenever I teach Calculus I assign the following homework problem (same idea):

$$ \int_0^2 \frac{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log (1+x) \right) }{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log(1+x) \right) + \sin^{2012} \left( \log(3-x)\right) } ~ dx $$

Let $x \mapsto 2-x$ then $ \begin{aligned} I= \int_0^2 \frac{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log (1+x) \right) }{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log(1+x) \right) + \sin^{2012} \left( \log(3-x)\right) } \;{dx} = \int_0^2 \frac{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log (3-x) \right) }{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log(1+x) \right) + \sin^{2012} \left( \log(3-x)\right) } \;{dx} \end{aligned}$

Therefore $ \begin{aligned} 2I = \int_0^2 \frac{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log (1+x) \right) }{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log(1+x) \right) + \sin^{2012} \left( \log(3-x)\right) } \;{dx} + \int_0^2 \frac{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log (3-x) \right) }{ \sin^{2012} \left( \log(1+x) \right) + \sin^{2012} \left( \log(3-x)\right) } \;{dx} \end{aligned}$, thus:
$ \begin{aligned}2I = \int_{0}^{2}\frac{\sin^{2012} \left( \log (1+x) \right) +\sin^{2012} \left( \log (3-x) \right)}{​\sin^{2012} \left( \log(1+x) \right) + \sin^{2012} \left( \log(3-x)\right) }\;{dx} = \int_{0}^{2}\;{dx} = 2. \end{aligned}$ Hence $2I = 2$ and so $I = 1$.

What I find interesting is that the trick also applies to products and sums because the index can be shifted in the same way:

$\displaystyle \int_{a}^{b}f(x)\;{dx} = \int_{a}^{b}f(a+b-x)\;{dx}$, $\displaystyle \sum_{a \le k \le b}f(k) = \sum_{a \le k \le b}f(a+b-k) $ and $\displaystyle ~ \prod_{a \le k \le b}f(k) = \prod_{a \le k \le b}f(a+b-k). $

It's amazing! So you can also create a simple but monstrous looking sum or product when you are teaching these topics too.
 
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I think you had a typo on this one; I fixed it so that it's similar to other integrals.
sbhatnagar said:
2.\( \displaystyle \int_{\sqrt{\ln(2)}}^{\sqrt{\ln(3)}}\frac{x \sin(x^2)}{\sin(x^2)+\sin(\ln(6)-x^2)}dx\)
Let $\displaystyle t = x^2$ then $\displaystyle I = \frac{1}{2}\int_{\ln{2}}^{\ln{3}}\frac{ \sin{t}}{\sin{t}+\sin(\ln{6}-t)}\;{dt}$. Now put $t\mapsto \ln{6}-t$, and we've $\displaystyle I = \frac{1}{2}
\int_{\ln{2}}^{\ln{3}}\frac{\sin(\ln{6}-t)}{\sin{t}+\sin(\ln{6}-t)}\;{dt} $, therefore:
$\displaystyle 2I = \frac{1}{2}\int_{\ln{2}}^{\ln{3}}\frac{ \sin{t}}{\sin{t}+\sin(\ln{6}-t)}\;{dt}+\frac{1}{2}\int_{\ln{2}}^{\ln{3}}\frac{ \sin( \ln{6}-t)}{\sin{t}+\sin(\ln{6}-t)}\;{dt} = \frac{1}{2}\int_{\ln{2}}^{\ln{3}}\frac{\sin{t}+ \sin(\ln{6}-t)}{\sin{t}+\sin(\ln{6}-t)}\;{dt} = \frac{1}{2}\ln\left(\frac{3}{2}\right).$ So $\displaystyle I = \frac{1}{4}\ln\left(\frac{3}{2}\right).$

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sbhatnagar said:
4.\( \displaystyle \int_{0}^{2} \frac{dx}{(17+8x-4x^2)(e^{6(1-x)}+1)} \)
Let $x\mapsto 2-x$ then $\displaystyle I = \int_{0}^{2}\frac{1}{(17+8x-4x^2)(e^{6(1-x)}+1)}\;{dx} = \int_{0}^{2}\frac{1}{(17+8x-4x^2)(e^{-6(1-x)}+1)}\;{dx}$.
Thus $\displaystyle 2I = \int_{0}^{2}\bigg(\frac{1}{e^{6(1-x)}+1}+\frac{1}{e^{-6(1-x)}+1}\bigg)\frac{1}{(17+8x-4x^2)}\;{dx} = \int_{0}^{2}\frac{1}{17+8x-4x^2}\;{dx},$ therefore:
$\displaystyle 2I = \int_{0}^{2}\frac{1}{2\sqrt{21}(2x+\sqrt{21}-2)}+\frac{1}{2\sqrt{21}(-2x+\sqrt{21}+2)}\;{dx} = \frac{1}{4\sqrt{21}}\ln\bigg|\frac{\sqrt{21}-2+2x}{\sqrt{21}+2-2x}\bigg|_{0}^{2} = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{21}}\ln\bigg|\frac{\sqrt{21}+2}{ \sqrt{21}-2}\bigg|$

Therefore $\displaystyle I = \frac{1}{4\sqrt{21}}\ln\bigg|\frac{\sqrt{21}+2}{ \sqrt{21}-2}\bigg|. $ There goes the last one. I had a field day with these integrals today. Thanks! :]


 
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