Movement caused by wind (changing force)

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The discussion focuses on the dynamics of a cabin on a frictionless track influenced by wind. The maximum velocity of the cabin is determined to be equal to the wind's velocity, v_0. For calculating the time to reach 86% of this maximum velocity, the user realizes an error in their approach regarding the acceleration formula. The conversation also delves into the effects of friction when sand is added to the track, with suggestions to redefine variables for solving the differential equations. Ultimately, the user acknowledges their mistake in using the wrong variable for acceleration, which led to confusion in their calculations.
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the problem is with b. and c. but I would like verification on a if possible, thanks!

Homework Statement


A cabin lays on a smooth track (so friction can be disregarded)
the wind exerts a pushing force F=\gamma u u is the relative velocity between
the cabin and the wind. the wind's velocity is v_0

a. what is the maximum velocity?
b. how much time will it take to the cabin to reach 86% of this velocity?
c. sand is spread on the track and the friction coefficient is \mu_k
what is the maximum velocity in this situation?

Homework Equations


F=ma
a=\frac{dv}{dt}

The Attempt at a Solution


a. let's assume the velocity of the cabin is v_c then:
u=v_0 - v_c
the maximum velocity will be reached when there is no more acceleration.
ma=\gamma u = 0
so u=0 , v_c=v_0
so the maximum velocity is v_0

b.
F=ma=m\frac{du}{dt} , m\frac{du}{dt}=\gamma u
multiplying by dt dividing by m and u we get:
\frac{1}{u}du=\frac{\gamma}{m}dt
integeral on both sides from final to initial:
u(t)=v_0 - v_c (t)
\int_{v_0}^{u(t)}\frac{1}{u}du=\int_{0}^{t}\frac{\gamma}{m}dt
this gives:
ln\frac{u(t)}{v_0}=\frac{\gamma}{m}t
\frac{v_0 - v_c (t)}{v_0}=e^{\frac{\gamma}{m}t}
so the velocity(time):
v_c (t)=v_0 (1- e^{\frac{\gamma}{m}t})
this can't be right - more logical is v_c (t)=v_0 (1- e^{-\frac{\gamma}{m}t})
but I don't see where my error is.
let's assume I have the right velocity, we need to find when it's 86% so
v_c (t)= 0.86v_0
e^{-\frac{\gamma}{m}t}=0.14
t=-\frac{mln0.14}{\gamma}

c. now F= \gamma u -mg\mu_k
but I'm not sure how I should proceed
 
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Going back to the start, change your variable to

V = V0 - Vc

where V0 is wind velocity and Vc cabin velocity. The result you think is correct will drop right out after integration and evaluation of constant of integration.

For part c, do another appropriate change of variable.
 
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I'm terribly sorry but I didn't understand,
I did use u= v_0 - v_c
and I tried using it from the start but ended up in the same place,

and as for c. I'm not sure what I should change "u" to,
because u has to have units of speed \frac{[L]}{[T]} where can I add the g\mu_k?
maybe
u= v_0 +g\mu_k t - v_c? but I don't think the t fits there logically
 
mdV/dt = F = gamma(Vw-V)

Define a new variable that is Vw-V. Then solve the differential equation using only indefinite integration where you pick up a constant of integration. You evaluate the constant by setting V=0 at time=0.

The part with the friction is very similar.
 
Here is some more help:

m*dV/dt = F = gamma*(Vw-V)

Let h = Vw-V

so V = Vw-h

dV/dt = -dh/dt

-m*dh/dt = gamma * h

dh/h = -(gamma/m) * dt

Now do an indefinite integration. Evaluate the constant of integration after returning to original variable V.

For part with friction:

m*dV/dt = gamma*(Vw-V) - m*g*mu

Define new variable h in a similar way. I cannot tell you exactly what because I would essentially be doing the problem for you. You want to define it so you can separate the differential equation and do an indefinite integration. Evaluate constant of integration the same as before.

After you derive all this, do a dimensional analysis to make sure your units agree.
 
Thanks!
I now see what I did wrong: I used a= \frac{du}{dt} ( the relative velocity)
instead of a= \frac{dv_c}{dt} (the cabin's velocity)
 
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