Multi-Species Ideal Gas Law and Mean Molecular Mass

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between energy density and temperature in a multi-species ideal gas, specifically focusing on a system consisting of neutral hydrogen, ionized hydrogen, and free electrons. Participants explore the implications of mean molecular mass in the context of energy density calculations and the contributions of different energy types in a plasma environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a formula for energy density in a multi-species ideal gas, questioning the necessity of including mean molecular mass in the expression.
  • Another participant confirms that the kinetic energy contribution to energy density is correctly expressed as 3/2 kT for each particle species, regardless of mass, but notes that potential energy considerations may complicate the analysis.
  • A participant mentions their focus on the kinetic energy aspect while modeling cooling curves for astrophysical plasmas, indicating a specific application of the discussion.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential oversight of rotational energy contributions in the energy calculations, particularly in relation to diatomic species.
  • A clarification is provided regarding the energy contributions for diatomic hydrogen, detailing translational, rotational, and vibrational energy components and their implications at high temperatures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of mean molecular mass in the energy density equation and whether certain energy contributions, such as rotational energy, can be neglected. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of including these factors in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the treatment of energy contributions from different species and the assumptions about temperature uniformity across species. The discussion also highlights the complexity of energy contributions in a plasma state, which may not be fully addressed in the initial formulations.

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Hi forums. I have what I think is a simple question but I'm making myself confused. I'm trying to work out the relationship between energy density ( u = energy per unit volume ) and temperature in a multi-species ideal gas (no molecules just different mass ions). The simplest example of something like this would be a hydrogen gas and the species would be neutral hydrogen, ionized hydrogen, and free electrons. I assume all species are at the same temperature. I know the monatomic answer is,

u = \frac{3}{2} n k T

where n is the number density of all particles and k is Boltzmann constant. I'm trying to decide if I need to add a factor of the mean molecular mass ( \mu = the mean mass of an ion divided by the proton mass) in this relation for the multi-species case. \mu is dimensionless so I can't decide on the basis of dimensional analysis.

I suppose the question is equivalent to asking if the energy density of a box of hydrogen at a fixed temperature is equal to that of a box of helium at the same temperature ... the more I think about this, the more I'm thinking the factor of \mu is not needed. Can anyone confirm this?
Any help appreciated.
 
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Your expression is correct for the kinetic energy contribution to the energy density. Each particle species has mean kinetic energy 3/2kT, regardless of mass. The potential energy of a system of charged particles will be volume dependent though, so this expression may not get you very far.
 
thanks gadong. I'm modeling the cooling curve for astrophysical plasmas (i.e. low density and globally charge neutral) so I'm just interested in that portion of energy which comes from kinetic motion of the particles.
 
Are you sure you can ignore rotational energy?
 
To clarify, my comment referred to H/H+/e- particles, so I may have mislead you. For diatomic species like H2 the mean *classical* energy consists of:

translational kinetic energy (of entire molecule): 3/2kT
rotational: kT
vibrational: 0.5kT.

In total, 3kT, or the same as the two atoms considered in isolation (as it should be).

For a quantum system, the above values of the vibrational and rotational energies represent the high temperature limits.
 

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