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Multiplicity and dimension

  1. Apr 11, 2005 #1
    Hi all, I have a hw problem that I would like someone to check:

    this relates to the eigenvectors: in the problem we are given characteristic polynomial, where I put x instead of lambda:
    p(x) = x^2*(x+5)^3*(x -7)^5
    Also given A is a square matrix, and then these questions (my answers):

    - size of A? (10x10?? by looking at the multiplicities?)
    - can A be invertible? (I think "no", otherwise there's no eigenvectors would be possible to find)
    - possible dimensions for nullspace of A (at least 3 and at most 10?)
    - what can be said about dim. of x = 7 eigenspace? (that according to its multiplicity, dim. can be at most 5 but at least 1?)
    Do I understand correctly this whole "multiplicity" concept? I am really shaky on the first question.

    Thanks in advance.
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  3. Apr 11, 2005 #2
    the determinant of the matrix should be the constant term of the characteristic polynomial. Which in this case is 0, so the matrix is singular. But in general, a matrix can be invertible and still have a full complement of eigenvectors.

    I'm going with at least 1, because 0 is an eigenvalue.
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2005
  4. Apr 12, 2005 #3
    the way I understood it from lecture is that we are looking for values of lambda that would make A non-invertible if subtracted by diagonal from original A, so you are saying that we do not know if the original matrix is invertible or not?
    Ok, I see that 0 is an eigenvalue, I kind of missed it the first time, but is it not true that each multiplicity of lambda is supposed to 'produce" at least one eigenvector? Then it would be at least 3...since it's nullspace of the whole matrix and not an eigenspace corresponding to particular lambda?
    Sorry, that i am so hard-headed :redface: .
    Thanks in advance .
  5. Apr 12, 2005 #4
    A is invertible iff 0 isn't an eigenvalue. (That is due to the fact that the determinant is the product of the eigenvalus).
    0, here, is an eigenvalue (since when you place it in your polynomial it vanishes), therefore A is singular. (I'm just repeating what Don Aman said, it looked like you didn't understand).
  6. Apr 12, 2005 #5
    right. that is, after all, the definition of eigenvalue
    No. I'm saying the original matrix is singular. Singular is another word for non-invertible. I'm also saying that your original reason for suspecting that it is singular:
    is not good. A matrix with characteristic polynomial (x-1)(x-2) may have eigenvectors possible to find, and still be invertible.

    The reasoning I gave originally was that the determinant of a matrix is the constant term in its characteristic polynomial. The characteristic polynomial you gave has no constant term, whereas the characteristic polynomial I gave has constant term 2. Thus mine comes from an invertible matrix, yours does not. And we don't know nor care whether either matrix has all its eigenvalues.

    Right. So this matrix has at least one vector whose eigenvalue is 0. That vector spans the null space. If the matrix is diagonalizable, then the matrix has two vectors with eigenvalue 0, in which case the null space is at least dimension 2. Since the root x=0 has multiplicity 2, there cannot be more than 2 eigenvectors with eigenvalue 0.

    If the other eigenspaces have dimension matching their multiplicities, then the null space has dimension less than or equal to 2. If they do not, I believe the null space is still 2. So I don't think it can ever be more than 2.
    I'm not sure where you're getting 3 from. A diagonal matrix has a null space given solely by the number of zeros on its diagonal, so that's why I counted the multiplicity of the 0 eigenvalue. Of course, we don't know whether our matrix is diagonalizable, so we have to be a little more careful.
  7. Apr 13, 2005 #6
    Thanks for the extended version of the answer. I re-read my textbook too, I think I get it now :smile:
    I was totally off on the nullspace, I missed that nullspace of A is AX = 0 corresponding to eigenvalue of 0, in which case it's multiplicity is 2, so that's 2 at most and 1 at least.

    Thanks to all again!
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