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That's quite a machine you have there.The Electrician said:im, the impedance analyzer I'm using is this: http://www.waynekerrtest.com/global/html/products/LCR/6430%206440.htm
It makes a measurement by applying an AC voltage (or current) and measuring (4 terminals) the resulting current (or voltage) with a phase sensitive detector and thereby getting an in phase (real) and out of phase (reactive) value, then calculating things like impedance, admittance, Q, D, etc. I can also make a 4 terminal DC measurement.
From its datasheet
Have you looked at a graph of inductance (or impedance) versus frequency?
Over audio range
Air core inductance should be pretty constant but iron core should not, it'll start higher and approach air value as less and less of the iron participates. Remember magnetism proceeds from outside inward and at high frequency it doesn't have time to get beyond skin deep.
At least that's how i explained my results from those photos. My core was an exotic stainless steel used for control rod lifting mechanisms in the reactor.. 400 series stainless makes good solenoid cores because its high resistivity means less eddy currents.
I sure wish we'd had such an instrument when we did our tests back in '92. I neglected to get enough phase measurements to completely characterize our sensor..my bad.
We were investigating temperature sensitivity of the control rod position indicators, basically they measure 60 hz inductance of the 12 foot tall coil as the steel shaft moves up inside it carrying the rod below. It woulda worked a lot better at 3hz, i will always believe. Those photos were an in-situ test from control room . .
As the song goes - "Those were the days my friend! "
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But i have digressed a long way from the OP's subject. I apologize. To get back to it...
A transformer is an inductor with another coil sharing the region where it makes flux. To understand transformers it is first necessary to understand the humble inductor and that's why i digressed. Sorry if i derailed the thread...
Merlin's voltage readings gives us a number for how much flux couples the secondary coil, but we don't know how much more flux the primary coil made. And we don't know how much flux got canceled by eddy currents in the core.
I think if we knew the phase angles between primary amps and both windings' voltages we'd be better positioned to figure it out.Merlin3189 said:I set it up with 0.506A AC 50Hz and measured a primary voltage of 0.96V and secondary voltage of 0.053V
The voltage across the resistance should be 0.86V , which, assuming only an inductive component at 90°, gives a voltage across the inductance of 0.43V.
Anyhow, as electrician said it's going to take a lot of current to make significant flux in OP's device.
And if as N O observed OP's primary is wound half one way and half opposing, well he's built a low ohm non-inductive resistor.
old jim