Need assistance in Physics question relevant to Torque & Static equlibrium

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to torque and static equilibrium, specifically involving a gantry crane setup. Participants are exploring the relationships between various forces and angles in the context of static equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive expressions for the sine of an angle based on the geometry of the crane. There are questions regarding the assumptions made about forces acting on the system and the definitions of certain variables.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to express sin θ in terms of the crane's dimensions. Some participants are questioning the validity of their expressions and the relationships between the variables involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the geometry of the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the correct formulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential confusion regarding the definitions of angles and the relationships between various lengths in the setup. There are indications of differing interpretations of the geometry involved, particularly concerning the triangles formed by the crane's structure.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Static equilibrium: Net force & net torque = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


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Am i doing this correctly for part a? [/B]
 
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Are we to assume that there are no forces on the bolts?
 
You are introducing an extra quantity d1 into your calculations, which will be difficult to calculate. Find an expression for sin θ based on L and H for the gantry crane as shown in the diagram.
 
SteamKing said:
You are introducing an extra quantity d1 into your calculations, which will be difficult to calculate. Find an expression for sin θ based on L and H for the gantry crane as shown in the diagram.

Either way even with replacing d1 with H, I still get Ft = (mgx+MgL/2) /(L sin(theta) ) . Am I on the right step?
 
Aristotle said:
Either way even with replacing d1 with H, I still get Ft = (mgx+MgL/2) /(L sin(theta) ) . Am I on the right step?

d1 ≠ H, and the expression for sin θ is a little more complicated than that. Your expression for FT is correct.
 
SteamKing said:
d1 ≠ H, and the expression for sin θ is a little more complicated than that. Your expression for FT is correct.

If I can't call the line of the pivot point perpendicular to the cable d1, what should I call it? I'm a little confused on what you mean. Isn't that all I'm looking for anyways: the tension in the cable as a function of the load position x? - which was the expression i found?. :/
 
Yes, it's absolutely fine. But can you express sin theta in terms of H and L ?
 
Jilang said:
Yes, it's absolutely fine. But can you express sin theta in terms of H and L ?

Yes you would get sin(theta) = H/L ----> H=Lsin(theta). So then my final answer would be Ft = (mgx+MgL/2) /(L sin(theta) ) ----> Ft = (mgx+MgL/2) /(H). Much better I hope? :]
 
Aristotle said:
If I can't call the line of the pivot point perpendicular to the cable d1, what should I call it? I'm a little confused on what you mean. Isn't that all I'm looking for anyways: the tension in the cable as a function of the load position x? - which was the expression i found?. :/

There's another triangle (which you are overlooking) which can give you an expression for sin θ. (Hint: the cable holding the support arm forms the hypotenuse of this triangle)
 
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Nope. Try again.
 
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SteamKing said:
There's another triangle (which you are overlooking) which can give you an expression for sin θ. (Hint: the cable holding the support arm forms the hypotenuse of this triangle)

The only triangle I see is the top triangle and bottom triangle and the triangle on the left with d1.

sin theta = H/L

How else can you derive the sin theta?
 
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Aristotle said:
The only triangle I see is the top triangle and bottom triangle and the triangle on the left with d1.

sin theta = H/L

How else can you derive the sin theta?

sin θ is not H / L. You should review your trigonometry, especially the definitions of the sine, the cosine, and the tangent.
 
  • #13
SteamKing said:
sin θ is not H / L. You should review your trigonometry, especially the definitions of the sine, the cosine, and the tangent.
Sorry about that, sin theta = H / sqrt (L^2 + H^2) :D
 

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