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The discussion revolves around understanding the notation "max Q" in the context of matrix equations involving positive definite matrices. The original poster is attempting to grasp the implications of this notation while working with matrices A, Q, and P.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of "max Q" and its implications for the matrices involved. There is confusion regarding how to interpret the maximum in relation to matrix properties and numerical expressions.

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Some participants have provided clarifications about the notation, emphasizing that "max Q" refers to maximizing a numerical expression rather than finding a maximum value of the matrix Q itself. The conversation reflects ongoing attempts to simplify and clarify the concept.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of matrix theory, particularly regarding the ordering of matrices and the conditions under which the maximum is considered. There is an emphasis on the relationship between matrices A, P, and Q as dictated by the equation A^TP + PA + Q = 0.

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Where it says maxQ I don't understand.

Q is a matrix, so are A and P.

I know what q1 and the 2-norm of P are, but what on Earth does max Q mean?

I started with the matrix A, I've selected Q as positive definite arbitrarily, and I received a matrix P. I need to now find rho but I'm stuck on what max Q means.
 
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maxQ means to take the maximum over all possible Q that satisfy the given equation. q1 and P will vary depending on what the matrix Q is.
 
n!kofeyn said:
maxQ means to take the maximum over all possible Q that satisfy the given equation. q1 and P will vary depending on what the matrix Q is.

I still really don't understand this part, can you simplify it a bit?

Say if I have a matrix Q = [1 2; 3 4]

What is the max Q?
 
Firepanda said:
I still really don't understand this part, can you simplify it a bit?

Say if I have a matrix Q = [1 2; 3 4]

What is the max Q?
There is no such thing. Matrices are not "ordered" and so do not have "max" or "min".

It's not "max Q", it is [tex]\begin{array} amax \\ Q\end{array}[/tex], the maximum taken by a numerical expression over all possible values of Q. This isn't saying anything about a maximum of Q, it's talking about the maximum value of the numerical expression [itex]q_1/||P||[/itex] where Q can be any matrix and P must be such that [itex]A^TP+ PA+ Q= 0[/itex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
There is no such thing. Matrices are not "ordered" and so do not have "max" or "min".

It's not "max Q", it is [tex]\begin{array} amax \\ Q\end{array}[/tex], the maximum taken by a numerical expression over all possible values of Q. This isn't saying anything about a maximum of Q, it's talking about the maximum value of the numerical expression [itex]q_1/||P||[/itex] where Q can be any matrix and P must be such that [itex]A^TP+ PA+ Q= 0[/itex]

Ok thanks, so I don't need to alter the calculation of [itex]q_1/(2||P||)[/itex] and treat it the same as if [tex]\begin{array} amax \\ Q\end{array}[/tex] wasn't there?
 

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