Need Help with Applying the Point Form of Ohm's Law

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the "Point Form" of Ohm's Law, specifically the equation E = Jρ, in circuit analysis. Participants explore its utility compared to the standard form of Ohm's Law, V = IR, and its relevance in different contexts such as material properties and circuit behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses familiarity with the standard form of Ohm's Law and seeks guidance on applying the "Point Form" in circuit analysis, noting a lack of intuitive understanding.
  • Another participant suggests that the "Point Form" may not be particularly useful for typical electronic circuits, proposing it might be more relevant for analyzing the electrical properties of materials or gases.
  • A participant highlights the difference between the two forms of Ohm's Law, emphasizing that the standard form requires two points in space, while the point form considers a single point.
  • One participant confirms the correctness of earlier statements and introduces the concept of conductivity (σ) as a more conventional term than resistivity (ρ), providing an alternative equation J = σE.
  • A participant notes the potential confusion arising from the use of the same symbol (ρ) for both charge density and resistivity, questioning if this contributes to the preference for conductivity in the Point Form of Ohm's Law.
  • Another participant supports the use of conductivity, stating it is more general and applicable in various contexts, such as dielectrics and ionic solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility of the "Point Form" of Ohm's Law in circuit analysis, with some suggesting it is less applicable than the standard form. There is no consensus on its overall usefulness or the preference for resistivity versus conductivity.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the distinction between potential and potential difference, as well as the implications of using different symbols for similar quantities, which may affect clarity in understanding the equations.

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Need Help with Applying the "Point Form" of Ohm's Law

I am quite familiar with the standard form of Ohm's Law

V = IR​

as I have been using it for years in circuit analysis. However, there is another form of Ohm's Law that is known as the "Point Form" of Ohm's Law:

E = Jρ​

Where E is a vector quantity expressing Electric Field, E is a vector quantity expressing Current Density, and ρ is a scalar quantity expressing Resistivity.

It seems that the "Point Form" of Ohm's Law would be quite useful for extending my knowledge of circuit analysis. I feel that if I use it right, I could tell what E is at any point in an electrical circuit. However, I do not have an "intuitive feel" on how to use it yet in circuit analysis. Could I have a few pointers on how to do this?
 
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Long time since I did this but..

I don't think it will be very helpful for typical electronic circuits unless perhaps you just want to understand and work with conductance rather than resistance.

Might be more useful if you are analysing the electrical properties of materials or gasses?
 


I had noticed a major difference between the two forms of Ohm's Law. Despite the similarity of appearance of the two forms, the standard form needs two points in space to operate off of, as V in the equation is the difference in voltage between the two ends of the resistor. This equation may better be written as

V2-V1 = IR​

where V2 and V1 are the nodal voltages at the two ends of the resistor. However, in the point form of Ohm's Law, there is only a single point in space in consideration.
 


Everything you have said is correct.

It is, however more conventional to use conductivity, σ, rather than resistivity so

J = σE

Don't forget that 'voltage' is the unit for two distinct quantities potential and potential difference.

The E above is potential, (and subject to Faraday's laws)

The voltage across a resistor is potential difference, not potential, although we often foget this when referencing to zero in a circuit.

As to uses

Current density J is the given by multiplying the drift velocity(vector) by the charge density(scalar).

Thus

J = vdρ

Thus σ = ρ vd / E

= ρμ

Where μ is the charge mobility.
 


Hmmm... it looks like the quantities of charge density and resistivity use the same symbol (ρ). For some reason that never hit me before. I wonder if that isn't the reason why conductivity is used in the Point Form of Ohm's Law more often than resistivity is?
 


Conductivity is used because it is more general.

It is used when you split the sources eg in a dielectric and ionic solution, plasma etc.
 

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