Negative or positive in rolling?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a rolling cylinder with a rope and its relationship to acceleration and angular motion. Participants explore the implications of different reference frames and the signs of various accelerations in the context of rolling motion.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the angular acceleration of the cylinder, R(alpha), is negative when considering the acceleration of the cylinder relative to the ground.
  • Another participant questions the introduction of a spring and seeks clarification on the description of the setup, indicating potential confusion.
  • A participant presents a relationship between linear and angular motion, stating that for rolling without slipping, the acceleration of the rope is twice that of the cylinder's center of mass.
  • There is a discussion about the sign convention used, with one participant asserting that clockwise rotation should be treated as negative, while left-to-right movement is considered positive.
  • Another participant seeks to clarify the relationship between the accelerations of the rope and the cylinder, questioning whether the equation a(rope) - a(cylinder) = -r x alpha is valid under their assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sign conventions for angular acceleration and the relationship between the accelerations of the rope and the cylinder. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations of the dynamics involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided a complete diagram or all necessary assumptions, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The implications of introducing a spring are also not fully explored.

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When, let's say, a cylinder is rolling on a plane, and there is a rope coiled around the cylinder and the rope moves at an acceleration of A(rope) at the upper part of the cylinder to the right.
Ok, so when I try to envision it, the cylinder is rolling in the CW direction.
so R(alpha)= - A(cylinder). When the acceleration of the cylinder is relative to the ground.
but then I need to look at the spring too, right?
so since the cylinder is STILL moving in CW direction, the equation for that should be
R(alpha)= - (A(cylinder) - A(rope))
But in questions I tired to solve they took it as positive.
Am I overlooking sth?
 
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You have a cylinder and rope and then suddenly a spring?

What's R(alpha)?

Do you have a diagram? Either I'm missing something or this is a rather confusing description.
 
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For the center of mass of the cylinder a = -alpha x R. Assuming the cylinder is rolling and not slipping, the string acclerates at twice that speed. This is assuming that alpha being clockwise is a negative number, and assuming you want left to right movement to be considered as positive.
 
ok, so let me get this straight.
because the movement if from left to right, then does the equation necessarily imply
a(rope) - a (cylinder)= -r x alpha.
the negative sign again here because the cylinder rolls in CW direction.
I mean, do I always get to do, the positive acceleration - which in this case is the rope- minus the other one?
 

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