Net electric force in particles in triangular formation

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The problem involves three positive point charges arranged in a triangular formation, with a focus on calculating the net electric force acting on a specific charge. The context includes the use of Coulomb's law and vector components to analyze the forces between the charges.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for the forces between the charges and the use of vector components. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of vector components (i and j) and the distances involved in the calculations. Some participants express confusion about the setup and the relationships between the charges.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, including the method of calculating forces and using the Pythagorean theorem for resultant forces. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the direction of the net force and the interpretation of certain components.

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Participants are working under constraints typical of homework assignments, such as needing to show their reasoning and calculations without direct solutions. There is also a focus on understanding the relationships between the charges and the forces they exert on one another.

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Homework Statement


Three positive point charges are arranged in a triangular pattern in a plane, as shown below. The Coulomb constant is 8.98755 × 109 N · m2/C2.
Find the magnitude of the net electric force on the 2 nC charge. Answer in units of N.

Homework Equations


Fe = (kq1q2) / (d2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I was looking at this thread with the exact same problem and I followed the directions. However, I don't know what I am doing wrong.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1892198"

My diagram: (it's like the picture given in the thread I looked at but just with different numbers)

3nC
(+)
|
2m
||---2m---|
-------------(+) 2nC
|
2m
|
(+)
6nC

What I tried to do:
((8.9875e-9)(2e-9)(3e-9))/((sqroot(8))2) = 6.740625e-9
((8.9875e-9)(2e-9)(6e-9))/((sqroot(8))2) = 1.348125e-8
cos(45)6.740625e-9 + sin(45)6.740625e-9 = 9.53268329e-9
-cos(45)1.348125e-8 + sin(45)1.348125e-8 = 0

After that I am confused.
 
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I'd write it out more simply to keep track of what's going on.

F1 = k*2*nC*(3/(2*4) i - 3/(2*4) j)
F2 = k*2*nC*(6/2*4) i + 6/(2*4) j)

Fnet = (k*nC/4)*(9 i + 3 j)

|Fnet| = (k*nC/4)*(81 + 9)1/2
 
LowlyPion said:
I'd write it out more simply to keep track of what's going on.

F1 = k*2*nC*(3/(2*4) i - 3/(2*4) j)
F2 = k*2*nC*(6/2*4) i + 6/(2*4) j)

Fnet = (k*nC/4)*(9 i + 3 j)

|Fnet| = (k*nC/4)*(81 + 9)1/2

I still don't understand what i and j are and where all the other numbers came from.
 
nn3568 said:
I still don't understand what i and j are and where all the other numbers came from.

F is a vector right?

i,j are the x,y components of the vector.

The d or r radius is to the charges that are √2*2 away.
When you square that it's 2*4 right?
 
ok, then what about the "2*nC" part? nC is nano-Coulombs though...
Am I supposed to find the force between 3nC and 2nC and then the force between 2nC and 6nC? After that, do I use the Pythagorean theorem to get the resultant force?
 
OK, nevermind. I did what I just posted and I got it right!

F1 = ((8.9875e-9)(2e-9)(3e-9))/((sqroot(8))2) = 6.740625e-9
F2 = ((8.9875e-9)(2e-9)(6e-9))/((sqroot(8))2) = 1.348125e-8
sqroot ((F1)^2 + (F2)^2) = approx. 1.51e-8

YAY!
 
NOw, another question.

How do I find the direction of this force?

I did
inversetan(f1/f2) = 26.6 but it's wrong
 
nn3568 said:
ok, then what about the "2*nC" part? nC is nano-Coulombs though...
Am I supposed to find the force between 3nC and 2nC and then the force between 2nC and 6nC? After that, do I use the Pythagorean theorem to get the resultant force?

That would be the method.

I didn't run the math. Apparently it works for you. So good.
 
nn3568 said:
NOw, another question.

How do I find the direction of this force?

I did
inversetan(f1/f2) = 26.6 but it's wrong

Aren't the components in the ratio (3 j)/(9 i) = 1/3 ?

Arctan(1/3) is angle with the positive x axis?
 
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oh i see. thanks so much for your help! I've learned more from you than from my teacher...
 

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