Neutral Body Radiation - Does it Emit Electromagnetic Radiation?

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The discussion revolves around whether a neutral body emits electromagnetic radiation when accelerated. Participants explore the implications of accelerating neutral atoms, the behavior of electrons and nuclei, and the conditions under which radiation may or may not occur. The conversation touches on theoretical concepts, experimental observations, and the nuances of atomic interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an accelerated charge emits electromagnetic radiation, questioning if the same applies to neutral bodies, which contain both electrons and protons.
  • One participant references Rayleigh scattering as a form of dipole radiation from neutral atoms, noting that radiation occurs only if the electron cloud oscillates relative to the nucleus.
  • Another participant suggests that if a neutral atom has no electric dipole moment, it does not radiate, complicating the scenario when the atom is accelerated by external forces.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of neutral atoms and their internal dynamics, with some proposing that while external radiation may cancel out, internal standing waves could exist.
  • One participant mentions that accelerating a neutral body does not lead to radiation, citing the lack of detection of such effects in experiments like Gravity Probe B.
  • Another perspective highlights the decoupling of electron and nucleus motion due to mass differences, suggesting that emissions are unlikely during atomic collisions.
  • Some participants propose that thermal radiation may occur under specific conditions, such as when a neutral molecule with a dipole moment is involved in collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether neutral bodies emit radiation when accelerated, with no consensus reached. Some argue that radiation does not occur, while others present conditions under which it might.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of atomic structures, the role of dipole moments, and the effects of acceleration, which remain unresolved and depend on specific conditions and definitions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying atomic physics, electromagnetic theory, or anyone exploring the nuances of radiation emission in neutral bodies.

eoghan
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Hi there!
An accelerated charge will emit an electromagnetic radiation. But what about a neutral body? If I accelerate a neutral body, I accelerate also the electrons and the protons it contains, so it radiates. Is this right?
 
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eoghan said:
Hi there!
An accelerated charge will emit an electromagnetic radiation. But what about a neutral body? If I accelerate a neutral body, I accelerate also the electrons and the protons it contains, so it radiates. Is this right?

Outside of your hydrogenic "atom" the radiant field vectors point in opposite directions and effectively cancel (See Griffiths, "Introduction to Electrodynamics", Eq. 9.107). Between the "nucleus" and the "orbiting" negative charge, significant additional field energy accumulates as the atom accelerates.
 
Rayleigh scattering of light off of neutral nitrogen atoms in the atmosphere is a form of dipole radiation from a neutral atom. In this case, the electron cloud is oscillating up and down with respect to the nitrogen nucleus. However, it will not radiate if the electron cloud is stationary with respect to the nucleus.

Bob S
 
GRDixon said:
Outside of your hydrogenic "atom" the radiant field vectors point in opposite directions and effectively cancel (See Griffiths, "Introduction to Electrodynamics", Eq. 9.107). Between the "nucleus" and the "orbiting" negative charge, significant additional field energy accumulates as the atom accelerates.
This means that outside my atom there is no radiation, while inside the atom there is radiation?
Bob S said:
Rayleigh scattering of light off of neutral nitrogen atoms in the atmosphere is a form of dipole radiation from a neutral atom. In this case, the electron cloud is oscillating up and down with respect to the nitrogen nucleus. However, it will not radiate if the electron cloud is stationary with respect to the nucleus.
So if I have a non-oscillating dipole and I accelerate it, it doesn't radiate?
 
eoghan said:
This means that outside my atom there is no radiation, while inside the atom there is radiation?
These are very good questions. If the neutral atom has no electric dipole moment, meaning that the charge centers of the bound electrons and the nucleus are the same, there is no radiation. This answer is complicated by the fact that if we accelerate a neutral atom by pushing on the bound electrons (using atomic collisions or photons, for example), then the charged nucleus would be dragged by the electron field, producing a non-zero dipole moment.
So if I have a non-oscillating dipole and I accelerate it, it doesn't radiate?
If you accelerate a neutral atom with a non-oscillating non-zero electric dipole moment, even though it is uncharged, it should radiate, probably with a higher order field profile, like quadrupole. Good questions.

Bob S
 
eoghan said:
This means that outside my atom there is no radiation, while inside the atom there is radiation?
I'm speculating, but I would guess that inside the atom there are standing waves with nodes at the electron "wall". Outside the atom there "are" waves (heh heh), but their electric fields cancel at all external points. Of course this is all classical, and the actual phenomenon of accelerating atoms is properly a problem for quantum (QED?) theory. For example, the internal magnetic field energy (between the nucleus and the electrons) of an atom that has always moved with a constant velocity might alternatively be represented as virtual photons. I expect this reply will return feedback, as I'm truly out of my depth here.
 
eoghan said:
Hi there!
An accelerated charge will emit an electromagnetic radiation. But what about a neutral body? If I accelerate a neutral body, I accelerate also the electrons and the protons it contains, so it radiates. Is this right?

An accelerating neutral body does not radiate, AFAIK- otherwise satellites would need to deal with their own radiation. Alternatively, the radiation could be detected, and I don't think Gravity Probe B detected that effect.

An accelerating body will observe black-body radiation, even if a inertial observer does not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_radiation
 
Well, by and large 'accelerating an atom' means accelerating the nucleus. Since it's tens of thousands of times heaver than the electrons. The motion of the electrons and the nucleus is largely decoupled (Born-Oppenheimer approximation, Franck-Condon principle) due to this large difference in sizes and relative velocities. A popular analogy is to flies buzzing around an elephant. The elephant moves so much more slowly than them, that they hardly change their motion at all to compensate for it.

So in general, you won't see emissions from an atom when another atom collides (e.g. two helium atoms) because the relative velocities of the nucleus and electrons does not change enough, fast enough, to cause electronic excitations. Remember, the electrons in an atom are moving at almost relativistic speeds. If you're talking about a polyatomic molecule, however, accelerating a single atom is just a vibrational excitation of sorts, which means some or all the kinetic energy can be re-emitted as radiation (selection rules apply, your results may vary).

Given that the atom/molecule is neutral, you can't accelerate it with a field. (ignoring possible but largely negligible effects like using a magnetic field to accelerate a paramagnetic molecule) The only way this can occur is to slam another atom/molecule into it, in which case you may be able to get thermal radiation, especially if the molecule has some dipole moment.
 

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