Neutrinos: Partner of electrons?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between neutrinos and electrons, particularly why neutrinos are referred to as "partners" of electrons. It explores concepts from particle physics, specifically within the framework of the Standard Model, and examines the behavior of neutrinos in weak interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that electronic neutrinos behave like electrons during weak interactions, suggesting a familial relationship between the two.
  • It is mentioned that left neutrinos and left electrons form a "weak isospin" doublet, with the possibility of transformation under the influence of W particles.
  • One participant questions whether neutrinos behave like electrons only in weak interactions or in other contexts as well, indicating a need for clarification on this point.
  • Another participant discusses the structure of leptons in the Standard Model, highlighting that each lepton is paired with a corresponding neutrino, which is neutral and lighter.
  • A participant expresses discomfort with the characterization of the electron neutrino as much lighter than the electron, arguing that the neutrino is not an eigenstate of mass and suggesting a more elegant treatment of neutrino mass eigenstates.
  • It is pointed out that the electron neutrino specifically couples with the electron in beta decay, but this does not resolve the discussion about mass eigenstates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of neutrinos and their relationship with electrons, particularly regarding mass and behavior in different interactions. No consensus is reached on the characterization of neutrinos or the implications of their mass properties.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the conditions under which neutrinos behave like electrons, as well as the implications of neutrino mass eigenstates versus their role in weak interactions.

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I am new to these particles called neutrinos but I was wondering why are they called the "partners" of electrons?
 
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Massless or not, the electronic neutrino behaves like electrons when subject to weak interactions. They're from the same family.

Daniel.
 
More exactly, left neutrinos and left electrons are the two sides of a "weak isospin" doublet. Under the action of the W particle, one transforms into the another.
 
dextercioby said:
Massless or not, the electronic neutrino behaves like electrons when subject to weak interactions. They're from the same family.

Daniel.
So do neutrinos behave like electrons ONLY in the context of weak interactions? Are any other situations where they would behave the same?
 
Swapnil said:
So do neutrinos behave like electrons ONLY in the context of weak interactions? Are any other situations where they would behave the same?
Is the only non trivial situation. Of course both particles are neutral respect to colour.
 
Swapnil said:
I am new to these particles called neutrinos but I was wondering why are they called the "partners" of electrons?
In the standard model, leptons occur in three doublets. These are:
The electron and the "electron neutrino".
The muon and the "mu neutrino".
The tau and the "tau neutrino".
In each case, the first lepton in the pair, is negatively charged and much heavier than its neutral neutrino.
 
Meir Achuz said:
In the standard model, leptons occur in three doublets. These are:
The electron and the "electron neutrino".
The muon and the "mu neutrino".
The tau and the "tau neutrino".
In each case, the first lepton in the pair, is negatively charged and much heavier than its neutral neutrino.

I realize that this is what everyone does, but I hate talking about the "electron neutrino" as being much lighter than the electron when the "electron neutrino" is not an eigenstate of mass. The neutrino mass eigenstates are [tex]\nu_1, \nu_2, \nu_3[/tex], and I think the whole setup is much more elegant if thes are considered the particles of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd generations.

Otherwise, one treats the quark and lepton mixing in very different terms. If it had been known from the beginning that the neutrinos, like the quarks and electrons, have mass, the notation now would match the notation for the mixed quarks. Instead, the standard model assumed massless neutrinos and here we are.

Carl
 
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The electron neutrino is the neutrino that couples with the electron in beta decay. That it is not a mass eigenstate, is a different answer to a different question. We have to learn not to hate.
 

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