setAI, in my opinion you are mistaken on several points. It seems to me you may have posted without reading the thread carefully.
Also I don't know where you get the notion that "the masses" use the word dimension to mean region.
In my pop-sci and sci-fi days when someone disappeared into the fifth dimension or emerged ghostlike from a different dimension they were definitely coming out of some orthogonal reality. Not merely a different region of our familiar world, but a whole other DIMENSION.
I seriously question your assertion about "what every scientist knows" regarding popular usage.
setAI said:
it is a little harsh to simply criticize the poster for using the informal pop-culture term 'dimension' when you know what they mean and when you also know that most people would only have heard space-time regions called 'other dimensions' in the first place- it's not an appropriate reason to vent one's frustrations of imprecise usage of terms by the masses-
setAI, you are misrepresenting Chroot's post, or you just didn't read it very well. Chroot was the first to object to poster's use of the word "dimension" and he did not "vent" criticism at the poster. he just ADVISED poster that he was using the word wrongly.
Chroot said
For starts, raccoon, you're not even using the word 'dimension' in the way that any scientist would use it. Therefore, no scientist has ever said anything like "going into a black hole allows you to travel to another dimension."
that is correct. Raccoon needs to be told that. And we all benefit from having some modest standards regarding the use of language. If we start equating "dimension" = "region" we'll get all screwed up and be forever talking at cross purposes.
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also- there are many published ideas by scientists which posit that black-holes either generate new space-time regions
Smolin CNS or connect to different space-time regions
Kerr et al-
So what? Raccoon wasnt talking about that, he was talking about you or me 'going through' a black hole. Surely the first thing he needs to be told is that this is a bad idea. He should better try to go thru a coffee grinder.
words have different meanings in different contexts and fields- in science and mathematics dimensions are degrees of freedom- but there isn't a scientist that doesn't also know the more common colloquial term 'dimension' refers to different space-time regions-
I just find this absurd, setAI. As I told you in my experience of sci-fi and popularized science, dimension never meant region. I strongly doubt what you claim about "all scientists" (or words to that effect.)
so the poster's question wasn't wrong at all- he is only guilty of using the vernacular terminology that one SHOULD expect from a layperson- so I don’t understand the rebuke
Poster's question was based on several mistakes. He didnt get rebuked so much as simply stopped cold in his tracks.
A. Don't say dimension when you mean region.
B. Don't claim that any qualified scientist believes you can go thru black holes, to anywhere.
C. Back up such questionable claims with a link, or don't make them.
I think the only person in this thread who is "venting" inappropriate criticism is you, setAI. On the other hand, I could be mistaken. If you think I am being inappropriately critical of your post, would you please let me know?
thanks