New High Performance Ultra-wide Angle Lenses - Comments

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around advancements in ultra-wide angle lens technology, exploring both current products and future possibilities. Participants share personal experiences with specific lenses, inquire about technological trends, and debate the implications of lens design choices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express satisfaction with specific ultra-wide angle lenses, noting their performance in astrophotography and affordability.
  • There is curiosity about the future of lens technology, with some suggesting trends toward larger apertures, reduced size and weight, and improved optical performance.
  • One participant mentions the concept of 3-D PSF engineering as a potential area of innovation in lens design.
  • Concerns are raised about the focus of the discussion being limited to 35mm sensors, with references to existing ultra-wide lenses for medium and large formats.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between fisheye and rectilinear lenses, highlighting the importance of optical distortion in lens design.
  • There is a question about the effectiveness of digital distortion correction versus optical design solutions in achieving straight lines in images.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about their experience with a Pentax 14mm lens, expressing mixed feelings about its wide-angle effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of lens design choices, the effectiveness of digital correction, or the focus on specific sensor sizes. Multiple competing views remain regarding the future direction of lens technology and the performance of different lens types.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions depend on specific definitions of lens types and sensor sizes, and there are unresolved questions about the effectiveness of various optical and digital correction methods.

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Andy, curious if you have ideas on where lens technology goes from here?
 
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nice write-up, Andy, thanks :)

my goto UW angle lens is my Samyang 14mm, f2.8

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I have been quite pleased with it's quality considering its affordable ~ AU$360 price tag
particularly on wide angle astrophotography where pinpoint light sources from stars gives a good test
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Andy, curious if you have ideas on where lens technology goes from here?

Good question- although predicting the future is a fool's errand :) In general the trend is to larger apertures, reduced size/weight, decreased chromatic aberrations, and improved accutance. All of this is contingent on developments in optical materials- mainly glass- and the ability to grind aspheres. Incorporation of image stabilization is increasing as well. These developments all fall under "improved performance of existing lens designs".

Something more 'exotic' I'm interested in is 3-D PSF engineering. That is, rather than simply design improved performance in the focal plane, the entire PSF can be designed- at least that's what is claimed for the new Nikkor 58/1.4. It's an interesting idea.
 
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Algr said:
I take it this article is only about cameras with 35 mm size sensors? Lenses with 180° already exist on devices that pair two of them to image 360° video.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ricoh-t...ffcode=pg174715&ksdevice=c&lsft=ref:212,loc:2

I didn't mean to implicitly discuss only 35mm-sized sensors; there are ultra-wide lenses for medium and large format sizes as well (the Super Angulon and Grandagon series of lenses, for example).

The Theta S and similar cameras (KeyMission 360, for example) use multiple sensors, and I also distinguished between fisheye lenses that have large distortion from rectilinear lenses, which do not. I focused on the development of new rectilinear ultrawide lenses.
 
Given that lens distortion can now be removed digitally, I wonder if it is better to do that then to use extra glass to make likes straight optically?
 
Funny thing. I was very chuffed with how well my Pentax 14mm lens performed but, on the other hand, I was disappointed that the pictures don't 'look' wide angle. It's almost as if I need to give them a digital nudge to get that wide angle effect. It's just the same as people who claim to like vinyl records. I guess.

BTW, good article, @Andy Resnick.
 

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