Newton's Cradle: Does it Really Demonstrate P = mv and E = 1/2mv^2?

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Newton's Cradle does not specifically demonstrate the equations P = mv or E = 1/2mv^2, but rather illustrates that multiple laws of motion and conservation are at play. The discussion emphasizes that these equations are definitions of momentum and kinetic energy, which do not require demonstration through the device. Observing the cradle allows for the derivation of various consistent equations rather than a singular conclusion. Participants express differing views on the nature of the toy's educational value regarding conservation laws. The conversation highlights the complexity of deriving specific physical laws from practical demonstrations.
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I have asserted that Newton's Cradle does not demonstrate specifically that P = mv or that E = 1/2mv^2.

Rather, that it demonstrates only that two *different* laws of motion/conservation are simultaneously at work.

An alternative form of this assertion is that by observing Newton's cradle, you cannot *specifically* derive the above two equations, but rather only an infinite number of pairs of *consistent* equations.

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HoloBarre said:
I have asserted that Newton's Cradle does not demonstrate specifically that P = mv or that E = 1/2mv^2.
Those are mathematical formulations of the definitions of momentum and KE, therefore you don't have to "demonstrate" them.In the case of KE the formula can be derived from other definitions but in the end is still a definition.in the case of momentum p=mv and that is that.
HoloBarre said:
Rather, that it demonstrates only that two *different* laws of motion/conservation are simultaneously at work.
HB
I always considered it a cool toy that shows the conservation laws.
HoloBarre said:
An alternative form of this assertion is that by observing Newton's cradle, you cannot *specifically* derive the above two equations, but rather only an infinite number of pairs of *consistent* equations.
What pairs of equations are you referring to?
 
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