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NJ teen unlocks iPhone from AT&T network

  1. Aug 24, 2007 #1

    Evo

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    The sad news is that the only other carrier it will work with is T-Mobile, which is on the same type of antiquated, slower than molasses network. :rolleyes:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070824/ap_on_hi_te/iphone_unlocked
     
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  3. Aug 24, 2007 #2

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    How is an iPhone different from a BlackBerry?
     
  4. Aug 24, 2007 #3

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    It begins with i
    It's from Apple
    It doesn't have a usable keyboard
    You can only use it with one provider
    It doesn't tie into your corporate IT system.
    Did I mention it begins with 'i' ?
     
  5. Aug 24, 2007 #4

    EnumaElish

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    What good is it without a usable keyboard?
     
  6. Aug 24, 2007 #5

    mgb_phys

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    But it begins with 'i' ;-)

    It has a touch screen keyboard displayed on the touchpad, I think it is intended for the 'more money than sense' style conscious audience rather than heavy business users.
     
  7. Aug 24, 2007 #6

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    Man you're being mean.

    But ironically, a main part of it is that it is from Apple. Apple has developed such a name that while Microsoft's products are generally associated with "crap" Apple makes quality stuff that has intuitive use, and is just so goddam sexy.
     
  8. Aug 24, 2007 #7

    Evo

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    And then they sold out and it can only be connected to the internet by what amounts to a dial up connection. What the hell were they thinking?
     
  9. Aug 24, 2007 #8

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    Either -
    Cynical = we have to get this cool gadget out while everyone is still talking about iPods, by the time all the early adopters(1) have bought it and we have ramped up production we will have deals with other cell phone providers, there will be more 3G coverage and someone else will have solved the problem of getting reasonable battery life from 3G.

    Mean = It begins with 'i' cool !!!


    (1)Person who buys every new gadget - Translation
    [British English] Enthusiast
    [USA English] Early adopter
    [AUSTRALIAN English]Flash yuppy b***tard
     
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  11. Aug 25, 2007 #10

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    That's cute!
     
  12. Aug 25, 2007 #11

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    That clinches it. I HAVE to get one of these now!!!!

    (Do you think if I change my name to "iG01" I'll become the most popular member on the forum?:biggrin:)
     
  13. Aug 25, 2007 #12

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    And why would they sell out to the tune of 5 years of exclusivity on that antiquated bandwidth-challenged network?

    The cynic in me says that the iPhone is intended to be disposable, and Apple expects none of them to be in service in a couple more years. The soldered-in battery and high battery-replacement cost should be a clue, too.
     
  14. Aug 25, 2007 #13

    Evo

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    You're already one of the most popular.
     
  15. Aug 25, 2007 #14

    mgb_phys

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    You have to also become expensve, thinner, and less functional
     
  16. Aug 25, 2007 #15

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    Thanks! Coming from Evo (whose so popular she can't keep and empty PM box:biggrin:), that must mean alot!:approve:

    :rofl: :rofl:
     
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  17. Aug 25, 2007 #16

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    You need a disclaimer that you can only log on if you have dial up ISP through AOL and that the computer required needs it's proprietary keyboard replaced by a professional every 5,000 keystrokes.
     
  18. Aug 25, 2007 #17

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    :rofl: :rofl:
     
  19. Aug 25, 2007 #18

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    Well, thinking about it, how many people keep their phones more than a few years any more? Every few years, the technology improves, phones get a bit smaller, have more features, and you get offered free or cheap upgrades (in my case, upgrading my phone was cheaper than buying the replacement battery I needed last year). Of course, I don't use the phone enough to want to keep a spare battery around, but I do know people who are constantly on the road, using their cell phone all day, and can't wait for it to charge between uses, so keep a spare battery to pop in mid-day until they have time to charge. I guess if you're a kid with rich parents who just needs it to organize a social life, it won't matter, but if you're a serious user, you're not going to want to use an iPhone just for the cute looks.

    I wonder if the 5-year contract with AT&T only applies to the current iPhone? If they can come out with the iPhone-nano, or the iPhone II or whatever they will call it in two more years as they get design feedback on the current model, maybe they'll be able to put that out on other networks without violating the 5-year AT&T contract. Now that we've had a few threads on it, it's occurring to me that they aren't selling to people who need a smart phone...that demographic already has Blackberries and are unlikely to jump ship for an untested new gadget, because they need reliability. Especially when the price point is so high to cover the development costs, those who have a reliable phone aren't going to switch early, but wait for version two anyway. Instead, they're appealing to the gadget freaks who are more interested in something cool looking to play with (and yes, that starts with an 'i'), and not so much functionality. They'll still get plenty of feedback, because those gadget freaks just can't wait to write blogs about their iPhones and what they've learned to do or not do with it. They'll get back bug reports and phones returned damaged, and use that information to design the next generation of iPhone, at which time the other network providers will see the popularity and will be on board with contracting with them.

    The other possibility is that AT&T made them a fantastic offer for that exclusive contract. AT&T's wireless has a bad and worsening reputation -- I don't know anyone who still uses AT&T for their wireless. AT&T may have seen this for what it is...a way to regain customers and popularity on their wireless networks, which would be good reason to pay Apple well for an exclusive contract. Of course, that will backfire as people realize how crappy the network really is unless AT&T is ready to make major upgrades in the next couple years before those contracts run out in order to retain those customers.

    Edit: Hmm...that brings another question to mind...who pays whom when a cellphone manufacturer contracts with a wireless provider? Does Apple pay AT&T to put their phone on their network, or does AT&T pay Apple for providing the phones to put on their network? Or does it stay all separated that Apple gets the profit on the phone sales, and AT&T the profit on the wireless service contracts? Maybe other providers wouldn't take on the iPhone because they wanted some reliability issues addressed before they'd attach their name to it, and AT&T was willing to take the risk because they don't have to worry about ruining their reputation on reliability?
     
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  20. Aug 25, 2007 #19

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    In the cellphone business the service providers call the shots to a much greater degree than anywhere else.
    I suspect Apple were lucky to get a deal from anyone.
    Form Apple's point of view they got lots of publicity, reinforced their must-have image and will sell all the units they can build for the forseeable future.
    they will probably sell unlocked ones for the same price when they have reduced the build cost.

    The main difference with the iPod is that there are already a lot of better performing phones that are also very stylish. I doubt there is room for an iPhone Nano to compete in a market where very nice Nokia/Sony/etc phones are given away free with monthly contracts.
     
  21. Aug 25, 2007 #20
    Oh oh...

    This may be a little off topic, but ever since cingular became at&t I've had no end of trouble with my cell phone.
    It's gotten to the point where I cannot run my business with it anymore.
    I mean I get my voice mail 8hrs later...I get all kinds of junk voice mail....I get junk text messages...phone drops calls every 1/4 mile. :yuck:

    Glad my contract is up :bugeye:
     
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