Non-differential Form of Biot-Savart Law: Comparison and Confusion Clarified

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The discussion centers around the non-differential form of the Biot-Savart law, specifically the correct expression involving cosine terms. Participants explore the implications of different formulations of the law in relation to specific geometries, such as an infinitely long conductor and a square-like conductor.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the correct expression for the non-differential form of the Biot-Savart law is B=mi*I/(4R*pi)*(cos(a)-cos(b)) or B=mi*I/(4R*pi)*(cos(a)+cos(b)), expressing confusion over the application of these formulas.
  • Another participant notes that the Biot-Savart law is an integral that depends on the geometry of the current flow, prompting a request for clarification on the angles "a" and "b".
  • A different participant suggests that the cosines in the formulas may relate to the cross product involved in the Biot-Savart law, indicating that the angles could be associated with the geometry of the current carriers.
  • One participant reiterates their belief that the correct expression involves subtraction of the cosines, but highlights a specific problem where the addition of cosines was used to find the magnetic field at the center of a square-like conductor.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding whether the angles are defined consistently in both cases, indicating potential ambiguity in the definitions used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on which expression of the Biot-Savart law is correct, with no consensus reached on the appropriate formulation or the definitions of the angles involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of angles "a" and "b", as well as the specific geometrical configurations being discussed, which may affect the application of the Biot-Savart law.

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What is the non-differential form of the Biot-Savart law? Is it:
B=mi*I/(4R*pi)*(cos(a)-cos(b)) or B=mi*I/(4R*pi)*(cos(a)+cos(b))?

For a infinitely long conductor, the law is:
B=mi*I/(2R*pi) because a=0 and b=pi. So I would say that the correct expression is the one where the cos are subtracted, but I was solving a problem where a point is in the center of a square-like conductor and they used the formula with the addition of cos to get the magnetic field at that point, as with the subtraction the answer would be zero. What equation is the correct one, I am really confused?
 
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The Biot-Savart law is an integral along the current flow, therefore the integral will depend on the geometry of your current flow. Also, what are "a" and "b"?

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As mfb mentioned, Biot-Savart Law is dependent on the geometry of the current carriers. The cosines might stem from the fact that there is a cross product in numerator of the Biot-Savart Law. The cross product, between the length of the conductor and the unit vector from the current to the field, or:

$$ \vec{ds} \times \hat{r} $$

Can also be expressed as:

$$ |\vec{ds}| |\hat{r}| cos \theta $$

This could be the reason you were dealing with cosines.

To get a better understanding of the Biot-Savart formula and any other formula in Electricity & Magnitude I'd suggest using:

http://theeqns.com/introduction-to-electricity--magnetism-with-calculus.html
 
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Chemist@ said:
So I would say that the correct expression is the one where the cos are subtracted, but I was solving a problem where a point is in the center of a square-like conductor and they used the formula with the addition of cos to get the magnetic field at that point

Are the angles defined the same way in both cases?
 

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