Non Quantized Light: Could It Produce Energy Below Photon?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of producing electromagnetic waves with energy below that of photons using an electronic circuit. It highlights that while longer wavelengths correspond to lower photon energy, detecting individual photons becomes increasingly difficult. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of applying quantum mechanics to describe the circuit's behavior, particularly in terms of energy levels and transitions in an LC circuit. It raises questions about the potential for circuits operating at radio wave frequencies to create divisions of photons experimentally. Ultimately, the dialogue underscores that all circuits, regardless of their nature, are governed by quantum mechanics and their interactions with electromagnetic fields.
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An electronic circuit that produces electromagnetic waves in the visible light range, would such an experiment be able to produce electromagnetic waves with energy below the photon's energy ?

I know it is technically hard to conduct such an experiment, but ... what would happen then?
 
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No that would not be possible. At a low enough intensity, a detector would be counting individual photons.

This does bring up an interesting point. As you move toward longer wavelength, the energy of each photon goes down.

E=hf E=hc/wavelength

So at some long wavelength (out of the visual), it becomes technically hard to empirically see individual photons. We think they're still there though.
 
If you want to describe what would happen, you have to describe your electronic circuit using quantum mechanics. So, you can't treat the currents and voltages in your circuit classically, they become operators that don't commute.

In case of an LC circuit with angular resonance frequency omega, what you find is that this circuit has energy levels of:

E_n = (n+1/2)hbar omega

If this circuit is coupled to the electromagnetic field, then you see that the emission of a photon of angular frequency is accompanied by a transition of the circuit to a lower energy level.
 
You say we must use the quantum harmonic scillator...
so, aren't there any deviations from that?
Are those circuits of radio waves unable to create divisions of photons, experimentally ?
An answer to that question would tell us either we are forced to quantize all oscillators or not.
 
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You say we must use the quantum harmonic scillator...
so, aren't there any deviations from that?
Are those circuits of radio waves unable to create divisions of photons, experimentally ?
An answer to that question would tell us either we are forced to quantize all oscillators or not.

Everything, including your circuit is described by quantum mechanics. If it is not a harmonic oscilator, it is still described by some Hamiltonian. It is also coupled to the electromagnetic radiation field. Then if you sart with some initial conditions, in which the radiation field in the ground state (no photns present), and you apply the time evolution operator to compute the future state, you'll see that the radiation field is no longer in the ground state.
 
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