Non-Uniform Circular Motion - Find Change in time

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The discussion revolves around solving a physics problem involving non-uniform circular motion, specifically finding the time for a particle to travel a quarter of a circle given a specific angular acceleration. Participants emphasize the need to integrate acceleration with respect to time to derive velocity and displacement, while also noting the importance of initial conditions. There is some debate about whether the initial position is necessary, but the consensus leans towards focusing on integrating twice to find the relationship between angular velocity and position. The transformation of the original equation into a more manageable form is also discussed, highlighting the complexity of the integration involved. Overall, the problem requires careful consideration of the relationships between acceleration, velocity, and displacement in circular motion.
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Find the time it takes for a particle initially at rest to travel around a circle with acceleration \ddot{\theta} = -3 \cos{\theta} to travel 1/4 of the circle.2. The attempt at a solution
\int_{0}^{{\frac{\pi}{2}}}-3 \cos{\theta}

Am I doing this right?
 
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The integral of acceleration is velocity and the integral of velocity is displacement. You also need the initial angular velocity.

ehild
 
So I should do \int_{V_i}^{V_f}-3 \cos{\theta}
 
No, you have to integrate with respect to time, and this problem is not simple at all. Are you sure that you copied it correctly? The initial position is also needed.

ehild
 
I don't think the initial position is required because you are given the initial velocity and the total angular displacement. I might be wrong but it sounds simple to me.

I do agree however that you have to integrate with respect to time because that is the link between acceleration, velocity and displacement.

You actually have to integrate twice
 
Integrating twice makes sense. I could graph the formula twice integrated and find the change in x for a quarter oscillation, correct?

Thanks for the help guys.
 
Oh boy. Does this require Elliptical integration?! If so, kill me now haha
 
I asked already, if you copied the problem correctly.

The usual method to solve such problems that contain only the unknown function and its second derivative with respect to time is to consider the unknown function as independent variable.

The angular velocity is ω=dθ/dt , so d2θ/dt2=dω/dt=(dω/dθ)ω ,

The original equation transforms to

0.5 d(ω2)/dθ =-3cos(θ),

which is easy to integrate, and you can get ω as function of the angle θ, which you should solve somehow but it is ugly any way.

ehild
 
Interesting. Thank you very much for the help. I did copy the question down correctly.
 
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