Non-uniform dielectric polarization

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The discussion explores the potential of creating a device that combines features of capacitors and solar cells by utilizing non-uniform dielectric polarization. It highlights the possibility of generating strong localized dipole polarization in ferroelectric materials without macro-scale polarization, which could allow for the application of a low voltage field to produce usable current. The conversation notes that while solar cells benefit from a free energy source for charge separation, similar efficiencies may not be achievable in ferroelectric capacitors due to the energy costs involved. Additionally, the phenomenon of "very strong localized randomness" is compared to antiferromagnets, suggesting a need for further research into this area. Overall, the idea aims to enhance energy density in capacitors by leveraging principles from both ferroelectric and antiferroelectric materials.
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I thought if it`s possible to create a device which would be a something average between
capacitor and solar cell.In solar cell we are getting non-uniform charge separation which is then used to produce current with help of low voltage electric field.Current which could be acheived in solar cell could be very powerfull.Yet there no problem of electric discharge because there is no charge separation on macro scale in solar cell and it is random.
What prevents to use the same principle in ferroelectric capacitor?Is it possible to create very strong random dipole polarization without polarization on macro scale and after that apply external low voltage field (when needed) to generate usable current?
 
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From what you've told of the solar cell, if there is no polarization on the macro scale for the ferroelectric capacitor, then there wouldn't be a discharge, just as in the solar cell. Also, in the solar cell, there's cheap energy source to cause an inhomogeneous charge distribution. Even though the voltage caused is weak, you're still exploiting an energy source that is technically free. I guess, that's why its not feasible. Last I read, the most efficient solar cell is 40.7%. In the case of a ferro/ferrielectric material, it'd be worse, because you would be expending energy sources not quiet as "cheap" as solar energy, to produce some weak current.

Anyhow, I was wondering what exactly is this phenomenon of "very strong localized randomness", and how prevalent is this. Is what you are saying similar to antiferromagnets where the adjacent dipole moments are antiparallel and yet, I guess, on a macro scale the material is no different from a "completely random" orientation of spins (?). Can someone guide me through some literature, or sources where I can read up on this?
 
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Solar cell would be able to work as energy storage (not only as energy converter) if electron-hole charge separation would be able to exist indefenitly long.In this case you would be able to regulate electric field to enforce produce it a useful current on demand.I guess it would be a very energy dense energy storage.But because electron-hole recombinations happen in milliseconds, it wan`t.
In ferroelectric charge separation could exist indefinitly long.I don`t know how to create some non-uniform charge separation in ferroelectric similar to that in photocell.Maybe some non-uniform electric fields could help?Then by applying external low voltage electric field those randomly oriented dipoles will alline and create some macroscopic electric potential.At least there is some mentions in Internet that there exist something similar to non-uniform electric charge.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TGS-44F1KFG-K5&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F1982&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1592808611&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=ef6d20fd378ed3041274a5b8bf55afe1&searchtype=a"
Also there is statements that antiferroelectric capacitors could have energy density greater than ferroelectric.http://www.trstechnologies.com/Products/Specialty_Capacitors/high_energy_capacitors.php"
I guess because of similar reasons.The idea I propose will extend idea of antiferroelectric capacitors.
 
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