Nonuniform Volume Charge in a Cylinder

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The problem involves calculating the charge per unit length of an infinitely long cylinder with a nonuniform volume charge density defined as p(r) = p0(a - r)/a, where r is the radial distance from the cylinder axis. Participants are exploring the integration of the charge density over the volume of the cylinder to find the total charge.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral for calculating charge, questioning the units and the definition of the volume element used in the integration. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between total charge and charge per unit length.

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Some participants have provided guidance on tracking unit discrepancies and have prompted further exploration of the integration process. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and assumptions related to the charge density and the integration limits.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating a volume charge density and converting the result into charge per unit length, with some expressing uncertainty about the definitions and the physical meaning of the variables involved.

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The problem states:
"An infinitely long cylinder of radius a in free space is charged with a volume charge density p(r)=p0(a-r)/a where (0<=r<=a), where p0 is a constant and r the radial distance from the cylinder axis. Find the charge per unit length of the cylinder."

Q = ∫ p dv

My attempt:

dv = ∏(r^2)h dr

∫0 to a ( p0(a-r)/a) h∏r^2 dr

After integrating I get

Q = p0∏h * (a^3)/12

Could someone please confirm if this looks correct?

Thanks!
 
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It's not. The units don't work out.
 
vela said:
It's not. The units don't work out.

Thank you.

Should the units be C/m^3?

Is the integral set up correctly? If not any advice as to where I have gone wrong?
 
Q is charge, right? So the units of Q should be simply coulombs. Try tracking down where the units went awry in your calculation. That's a good way to identify where the problem is.

Also, note that the question is asking for Q/L, where L is the length of some section of the cylinder. Your final answer should have units of coulombs/meter.
 
vela said:
Q is charge, right? So the units of Q should be simply coulombs. Try tracking down where the units went awry in your calculation. That's a good way to identify where the problem is.

Also, note that the question is asking for Q/L, where L is the length of some section of the cylinder. Your final answer should have units of coulombs/meter.

Yes I know that Q is the charge but I can't seem to figure this out.

In the problem a volume charge density was given. The only definition I can find is:
p=dQ/dv. Knowing this I can integrate the volume charge density given to get the charge, however, I'm unsure how to come to charge per unit length.
 
Hello ,
Please tell me what element are you integrating ?
 
kushan said:
Hello ,
Please tell me what element are you integrating ?

Hi I was integrating the volume charge density:

dv = v dr

∫ p dv = ∫ p πr2l dr = p0∫((a-r)/a) * ∏r2l dr.

This should give me the charge I believe but I don't know how to get charge per unit length.

Thanks!

Edit: Integrating from 0 to a.
 
ur5pointos2sl said:
dv = v dr
This is obviously wrong. The lefthand side has units of length3, since it's a volume, whereas the righthand side has units of length4.
 
You need to take an infinitesimal element is such a way it is symmetric to the body , with a variable good enough to integrate .
 
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vela said:
This is obviously wrong. The lefthand side has units of length3, since it's a volume, whereas the righthand side has units of length4.

Alright. So the statement below should be the correct statement?
v= ∏r2h
dv = 2∏rh dr

I assumed I would just substitute this into the integral for dv and integrate with respect to r from 0 to a.

Doing this I get ∏ρ0ha2/3.
 
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  • #11
Good. So you have in a length h of the cylinder, a total charge ##Q=\frac{\rho_0 \pi h a^2}{3}##, so what's the charge per unit length?
 
  • #12
vela said:
Good. So you have in a length h of the cylinder, a total charge ##Q=\frac{\rho_0 \pi h a^2}{3}##, so what's the charge per unit length?

I may be over thinking this but the unit length is given by λ = E 2∏ ε0r?

Is there an easier way to get the charge per unit length? Thanks for your patience I am new to this.
 
  • #13
I kinda get the feeling you're just pushing symbols around without understanding what they mean. Say you're trying to explain your calculation to someone else, and he or she asks, "What does Q stand for?" And you say "charge." They respond by asking "charge of what specifically?" What's your answer?
 
  • #14
vela said:
I kinda get the feeling you're just pushing symbols around without understanding what they mean. Say you're trying to explain your calculation to someone else, and he or she asks, "What does Q stand for?" And you say "charge." They respond by asking "charge of what specifically?" What's your answer?

I would say your feeling is correct. I'm really am trying to understand but am having a hard time doing so.

The total charge over a length l?
 
  • #15
What is l the length of?
 

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