Normal/Tangential magnetic flux density problem

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The problem involves a magnetic slab with a specified relative permeability and a conducting film carrying a surface current. The objective is to find the magnetic flux density and angle in the conducting film based on given parameters and equations.

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  • Participants discuss the assumptions regarding the permeability of the materials involved, particularly whether the relative permeability can be equated to the permeability of free space. There are attempts to apply equations relating to normal and tangential components of magnetic flux density, with some participants questioning the orientation of the current density in their calculations.

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Several participants have provided feedback on the original poster's calculations, suggesting corrections to the sign of the current density and the treatment of permeability in the equations. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections on the calculated angle and magnetic flux density.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need for precise definitions of permeability and the impact of assumptions on the results. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the validity of their assumptions and calculations, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct approach.

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Homework Statement


The picture attached to this question shows a magnetic slab with μr = 50. A thin conducting film (with μr = 1) lies on top of the slab and carries a surface current of 1.0[A/mm] directed out of the page. If magnitude of B1 = 0.01 [T] and θ1 = 10o, find magnitude of B2 and θ2.

I apologize in advance for my bad recreation of the image in the text!

Homework Equations



1.) B1n = B2n
2.) (1/μ1)B1t - (1/μ2)B2t = Js

The Attempt at a Solution



So, for starters, I am assuming μ1 = μo = (4*pi)e-7. Please let me know if I cannot make this assumption, but I believe I can. Because angles are involved that are not perfectly 90o, I have to include sines and cosines in the equations above. Using formula #1 --> (0.01)*cos(10o) = B2cos(θ2) = 0.009848. Using formula #2 to find θ2, I can plug in values to have:
(1/μo)0.01*sin(10o) - (795774.72)B2sin(θ2) = 1000[A/m]

Solving for θ2, I find that the angle is 90o. However, this is not the answer in the back of the book. The answer for θ2 in the back of the text is 86.2o and a magnitude of B2 to be 0.15[T]. I was also not receiving this value for B2. I have a feeling that my problem is that I cannot assume that μ1 = μo. Please help me! Thanks for all help in advance!
 
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satchmo05 said:
Please help me! Thanks for all help in advance!

I believe that you have everything essentially correct with one small, but important, exception.

You need to reverse the sign of the current density in your equation. If you look at the orientation, you have set up your equations as if the current was flowing into the page, rather than out of the page.
 
uR=50 so u2 is not equal to u1.
 
Actually, I see one more error. I think you multiplied [tex]\mu_0[/tex] by 50 squared (in region 2) rather than by just [tex]\mu_r=50[/tex] as specified.
 
elect_eng said:
I believe that you have everything essentially correct with one small, but important, exception.

You need to reverse the sign of the current density in your equation. If you look at the orientation, you have set up your equations as if the current was flowing into the page, rather than out of the page.

Elect_eng - this still results in an angle of 90o.

Antiphon said:
uR=50 so u2 is not equal to u1.

Antiphon - when did I mention this? Can I assume that u1 = uo? That was one of my original questions.

elect_eng said:
Actually, I see one more error. I think you multiplied [tex]\mu_0[/tex] by 50 squared (in region 2) rather than by just [tex]\mu_r=50[/tex] as specified.

Elect_eng - I carefully went back over my implementation and I still receive 90o
 
Here is my implementation:

1.) B1n = B2n
2.) (1/μ1)B1t - (1/μ2)B2t = Js
B1cosθ1 = B2cosθ2 = 0.01cos(10o) = 0.009848
(1/μo)B1sinθ1 - (1/μr)B2sinθ2 = -Js
(1/μo)B1sinθ1 + Js = (1/μr)B2sinθ2
ro)B1sinθ1 + μrJs = B2sinθ2
119092.41 = B2sinθ2

[B2sinθ2 / B2cosθ2] = (119092.41/0.009848)
tanθ2 = 12,093,056
θ2 = tan-1(12,093,056)
θ2 = 90o
 
satchmo05 said:
Here is my implementation:

1.) B1n = B2n
2.) (1/μ1)B1t - (1/μ2)B2t = Js
B1cosθ1 = B2cosθ2 = 0.01cos(10o) = 0.009848
(1/μo)B1sinθ1 - (1/μr)B2sinθ2 = -Js
(1/μo)B1sinθ1 + Js = (1/μr)B2sinθ2
ro)B1sinθ1 + μrJs = B2sinθ2
119092.41 = B2sinθ2

[B2sinθ2 / B2cosθ2] = (119092.41/0.009848)
tanθ2 = 12,093,056
θ2 = tan-1(12,093,056)
θ2 = 90o
The permeability in region 2 is [tex]\mu_0 \mu_r[/tex] not [tex]\mu_r[/tex].
 
That was the problem. Thanks for your help and persistence Elect_Eng!
 

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