Norton's Theorem: Solving Current Across Terminals a-b

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The discussion revolves around applying Norton's Theorem to find the current across terminals a-b in a given circuit. Participants explore the process of determining the Norton equivalent and the resulting current, addressing confusion and clarifying concepts related to the direction of current flow.

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  • One participant calculates the Norton resistance as Rn = 10 ohms and finds the Norton current In = 0.4A, but expresses confusion about the direction of the current source.
  • Another participant points out that the direction of the short-circuit current affects the interpretation of the Norton current, suggesting that the participant's assumption about the current direction was incorrect.
  • A later reply clarifies that the Norton current should be oriented opposite to the short-circuit current, indicating a misunderstanding in the initial analysis.
  • One participant raises a concern about potential confusion if the source is drawn horizontally, suggesting that the orientation of current sources can lead to misinterpretations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the directionality of the Norton current and short-circuit current, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct interpretation of the circuit analysis.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the orientation of current sources and the implications for the Norton equivalent, which may affect the calculations presented.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about circuit analysis, particularly those studying Norton's Theorem and its applications in electrical engineering.

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Homework Statement


Obtain the norton equivalent of the circuit on terminals a-b. use the result to find the current i.
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Homework Equations


1.Shorting the terminal when finding norton
2. Open current source and short voltage source when finding norton resistance


The Attempt at a Solution


By 2. We obtain
Rn = 6+4=10.

When Terminals a and b are short circuited we find current across it using nodal analysis
2+((12-v)/6)=v/4
v=9.6V

So that
In= (12-9.6)/6 =0.4A (current source facing upward)

This is the part where i am confused.
So connecting back the original components across terminal a-b (5 ohm and 4A in parallel) to the norton equivalent.
By current division We obtain


i = (10/(10+5))(4A + 0.4A) = 2.93A

The real answer is 2.4A , it's kinda odd because 0.4A norton current source is facing downward with this answer.


Edit. Pls move this to introductory physics
 

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The short-circuit current flows downward if the source current points upward. You assumed the short-circuit current flowing upward, that means the Norton-current pointing downward, that is negative.

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Hi, and welcome to the forums.

So that
In= (12-9.6)/6 =0.4A (current source facing upward)
Norton's Theorem does not involve Iin! His formula requires Iout.
 
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I can see it now.

I've read the book and realized that whenever the short circuit current face upward, then the norton current which represent the rest of the circuit will face downward and vice versa.

In this case, i made the short circuit current point upward.
Then the norton current source should point downward.
 
Well, okay. :wink: But aren't you going to be tripped up if ever the source is drawn horizontally?
 

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