Nuclear meltdown in 2015 on antineutrino map?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of an antineutrino map and whether it indicates a nuclear meltdown in 2015. Participants explore the implications of the map's colors and patterns, questioning the presence of any significant nuclear events during that time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a meltdown occurred in 2015 based on the antineutrino map, noting a lack of news coverage.
  • Another participant clarifies that the map is a model and not a representation of a specific event, suggesting the colors may mislead interpretations of temperature.
  • A participant proposes changing the map's color scheme to avoid confusion regarding potential meltdowns.
  • Concerns are raised about the non-uniformity of color in a specific area, suggesting environmental factors like wind could influence readings.
  • Discussion includes the significance of dark splotches on the map, which are associated with operating nuclear power plants and their isotopes, indicating the complexity of interpreting the data.
  • One participant asks about antineutrino emissions in the Great Lakes region, seeking clarification on the observed emissions.
  • Another participant urges others to read the article for detailed explanations regarding the map's findings and interpretations.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the antineutrino map, with no consensus on whether it indicates a meltdown or other nuclear events. Some participants challenge the assumptions made by others regarding the map's implications.

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Participants reference specific pages in the article for further details, indicating that the discussion is grounded in the content of the paper, which may contain complex models and assumptions that are not fully resolved in the conversation.

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I was browsing a antineutrino map and was wondering if there was a meltdown in 2015 when it was taken.

I never heard about it in the news; but, here are some pictures from the paper:

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep13945

41598_2015_Article_BFsrep13945_Fig1_HTML.jpg

41598_2015_Article_BFsrep13945_Fig1_HTML.jpg


Thoughts?
 
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TimeSkip said:
was wondering if there was a meltdown in 2015 when it was taken.

Did you read the paper? Or even the abstract? It's a model. There was no day it was taken.
 
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TimeSkip said:
I was browsing a antineutrino map and was wondering if there was a meltdown in 2015 when it was taken.

I never heard about it in the news; but, here are some pictures from the paper:

Thoughts?
What are you talking about? What leads you to believe there is a meltdown shown somewhere in those graphics?
 
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russ_watters said:
What are you talking about? What leads you to believe there is a meltdown shown somewhere in those graphics?
The article mainly refers to 'geoneutrino' emanations from the Earth including mixing models of the three known antineutrinos.

The colors selected for the maps: blue to yellow to red resemble temperature readings. The bright red color associated with antineutrino detection might mislead a cursory reader that something is melting due to high temperatures?

Fix: change map colors to complements. Red becomes green, blue to orange, yellow to violet. Incipient 'meltdowns' will instead resemble foliage. :smile:
 
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The color doesn't look uniform around that circled spot.

Was just wondering.

As in: Something like wind blew something to the north of the reactor in question.
 
TimeSkip said:
The color doesn't look uniform around that circled spot.

Was just wondering.

As in: Something like wind blew something to the north of the reactor in question.
The dark splotches in the US, Europe, Asia (Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, eastern China), S. Americal and S. Africa are operating nuclear power plants. One has to look at the energy levels of the neutrinos, since there is a mix of U, Th isotopes and their decay products, and fission products and their decay products. Note that beta decay involves the release of an electron (beta particle) and anti-neutrino.

The red circle encompasses the Ural mountains. In areas like that, it is mostly deposits of U and Th.
Edit/update: The darkest splotch (spot) in the red oval, toward the SE of center, is Mayak, where U and Pu are processed, and fission products (nuclear waste) are accumulated. There have been numerous criticality and other accidents at the site, but in the worst case, a plume spread to the northeast, or about 45 degrees from the darker area (Ural Mountains).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayak#List_of_accidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kysht...e:Map_of_the_East_Urals_Radioactive_Trace.png

Please read the article.
 
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Can someone enlighten me as to what happened in the Great Lakes in the US? Why so much antineutrino emission?
 
Will you please read the article?

Your original question about what was going on in the circle you drew was answered on Page 5. This question is answered on page 3, and you can get more details by clicking on the link on page 9.
 
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