Number of resistors for potential divider?

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the minimum number of identical resistors needed to create a specific voltage across a voltmeter in a circuit with a unit E.M.F. The participants explore various configurations of resistors in series and parallel to achieve rational voltage values less than one.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether to categorize the problem under mathematics or physics.
  • Another participant suggests that there is no straightforward method to determine the minimum number of resistors required for a given voltage.
  • A participant describes a specific example using four resistors to achieve a voltage of 1/5, detailing the series and parallel configuration used.
  • One participant notes a pattern where the number of resistors needed for a voltage x=a/b is the same as for x=(b-a)/b, and mentions that b resistors are required when x=1/b if b is prime.
  • A participant provides a list of specific voltage values and the corresponding number of resistors found for each, indicating variability in the required number of resistors for different fractions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the easiest method to find the minimum number of resistors, and multiple competing views remain regarding the patterns and configurations that can be used.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the ideal conditions of the circuit, such as no internal resistance and no current drawn by the voltmeter. The complexity of the problem may depend on the specific values of x chosen.

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Not sure whether to post in mathematics or physics section.

A circuit contains a cell of unit E.M.F. Use any combination of identical resistors in series and/or parrallel in order to create a voltage of x across a voltmeter connected anywhere on the circuit. Assume that there is no internal resistance or resistance in the wires, and the voltmeter does not draw any current. What is the easiest way to find the minimum number of resistors required for a given value of x (x<1 and x is rational, otherwise there is no solution)?
 
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I don't think there is an easy way to find the minimum numbers. You can make any fraction p/q, with q resistors in series, where you connect the voltmeter across p of them, but this is not always the smallest number.

with four resistances you can make a voltage of 1/5 by putting 2 in series to get a 2 ohm resistance, and 2 in parallel to get 1/2 ohm. If you make a voltage divider from 2 ohm and 1/2 ohm you get 1/2 / (2 + 1/2) = 1/5.
 
The only pattern I could be sure of is that the numbers of resistors for x=a/b is the same as for x=(b-a)/b. It also looks like b resistors are required when x=1/b and b is prime.
A few values I have found:
voltage no. of resistors
1/2 2
1/3 3
1/4 4
1/5 5
2/5 4
1/6 4
1/7 7
2/7 5
3/7 5
1/8 8
3/8 7
1/10 5
2/13 8
7/13 7
2/19 19
19/23 13
2/31 17
 

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