News Obama Chooses Biden as Running Mate - MSNBC

[lisab]

Don't know how AP got the scoop, but they're reporting that Obama's VP choice is Joe Biden.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26010055/

A good choice. He's definitely good in the "attack dog" roll.

 

[Evo]

Wow, he sounds like the "Anti-Obama" in that article. I would say it's a wise choice, if he's that opposite Obama on those issues, it would be a good balance.

But with both of them having problems with being too verbose, this might be a nightmare. Two people that can't come to the point.

 

[WarPhalange]

Wow, it leaked! Who'da thunk it! They kept their lips so tight about it, too.

Free bagels for all!

 

[Evo]

Everything you wanted to know about Joe Biden, but were afraid to ask. Did I forget to post this political background project link in my election thread?

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/joe-biden/

Just go to "On the issues" and click on each issue and you will get their statements.

There is also a link to their voting record. A great site to sum up a candidate.

 

[Gokul43201]

I couldn't be happier ... given the context, I mean ... or I think that's what I mean.

Now what would make for a Cabinet Dream Team? Some suggestions from me:
State - Chuck Hagel
Defense - stick with Bob Gates
Energy - Bill Richardson
Interior - Kathleen Sebelius
Education - leave Margaret Spellings in. You'll never find anyone with a cooler name.
VA - Jim Webb (though he'd probably decline)

How's that sound?

 

[isly ilwott]

Senator Biden was very critical of Obama's qualifications to be CiC when Biden was vying for the position himself.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jpNkxhHYmi98B3GBk8AZqtJeWohgD92NQM4G1


On the same day he announced his second bid for the presidency, Biden found himself explaining why he had described Obama as "clean."

And there's the 2007 ABC interview in which Biden said he would stand by an earlier statement that Obama was not ready to serve as president.



I suppose something has happened between then and now to change his mind.

 

[Gokul43201]

Yes, he got to know Obama better.

 

[LowlyPion]

I suppose something has happened between then and now to change his mind.

Yes. Obama got a majority of the nomination delegates.

Whether he is ready to lead, Biden is ready to follow as VP. Otherwise what chance does Biden have for higher office?

Not choosing Hilary I think is a big mistake. The 2 of them pulled as many votes in the primaries as they might need to insure election. Presented with a solution, why leave the result in doubt?

This choice is as puzzling to me as Bush the elder choosing Quayle the idiot.

 

[rewebster]

I'm glad Joe's first name isn't Ben------





(Obama-Ben Biden)

 

[isly ilwott]

Yes, he got to know Obama better.

Yeah, and if he's elected, we'll all get to know him better.

We should take lessons from the Cuban experience with Fidel Castor...and his CHANGE. He was a promising young messiah once also. He brought sweeping socialistic change to his country...and now people die at sea trying to get away from the country he has shaped.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Yes, he got to know Obama better.

Wishful thinking or do you have good reason to believe this?

 

[turbo]

Not choosing Hilary I think is a big mistake. The 2 of them pulled as many votes in the primaries as they might need to insure election. Presented with a solution, why leave the result in doubt?

This choice is as puzzling to me as Bush the elder choosing Quayle the idiot.

Choosing Clinton would have been by far the larger blunder and might have cost the Dems the 60-40 majority they hope to get in the Senate. Many Republicans are none-too-happy with McCain and that will suppress voter turn-out for him in the general election, boding ill for Republicans down-ticket. (Have you noticed a record number of Congressional Republicans deciding to "spend more time with their families"? They fear a trouncing this fall.) If Obama had chosen Clinton, her presence on the ticket would have turned out Republicans in record numbers and shortened the Dem's Congressional coat-tails. It's one thing to have a primary battle within your own party, and another thing entirely to try to win a general election in which voters from all parties have the opportunity to vote for or against you. The votes against Clinton would probably have wiped out any additional votes she could have brought to the ticket. Talk to some older Republicans - they spit out Clinton's name like it's poison.

If she had been the VP selection, you can bet that the GOP and their attack machine would right now be airing ads about Whitewater, huge profits in cattle futures, Rose Law firm billing records, Vince Foster's death, Bill's infidelities and Hillary's knowledge of them, etc, etc. Obama would not be able to keep the campaign on-message against such an onslaught of negativism and his staffers knew this. Despite their praise of Clinton, saying things like "she'd be on anyone's short list", she was NEVER in the running for VP. Obama's people are way too smart to step into that trap.

 

[LowlyPion]

If Obama had chosen Clinton, her presence on the ticket would have turned out Republicans in record numbers and shortened the Dem's Congressional coat-tails.

... Obama's people are way too smart to step into that trap.

The last 8 years of Republican ship wreck, turning surpluses into deficit, enriching the rich, involving the country in foreign adventurism, ... I'd say not even Republicans have a taste to see their own in power any longer.

I'm no great fan of Hilary's, though I think she is as sincere as it ever gets in politics, but the fact of the matter is she represents a constituency that will not necessarily translate wholly to Obama-Biden.

As to Obama's people being smart ... in chess when you arrive at a known point that forces a win, I would think the smart thing is to take the solution and not muck around by selecting a political hack like Biden that may be more a liability than a benefit.

Kennedy chose Johnson and the two were not ideologically or personally all that compatible, but without the calculus of the constituency of both Nixon would have been president in 1960.

 

[russ_watters]

Not choosing Hilary I think is a big mistake. The 2 of them pulled as many votes in the primaries as they might need to insure election. Presented with a solution, why leave the result in doubt?

Three problems with that logic:

-It assumes that they'd get both pools of votors when many polls showed a good fraction of people would not accpet their candidate being on the short end of a "dream team" ticket.
-In the Democratic primaries, only Democrats voted (in most of them).
-In the Democratic primaries, there were no Republicans to choose from.

So how do we really know how many votes each would bring in?

 

[russ_watters]

The last 8 years of Republican ship wreck, turning surpluses into deficit, enriching the rich, involving the country in foreign adventurism, ... I'd say not even Republicans have a taste to see their own in power any longer.

That's just fantasy combined with wishful thinking, LP. Look at some polls for goodness sake! If it is really so bad and McCain would just be four (8?) more years of the same disaster, why are they polling within four percentage points of each other? (on average) http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/poll-tracker.htm

I see this from a lot of democrats - they see the result of this race as a foregone conclusion, while the reality is that it has a long way to go and is frought with potential pitfalls (for both candidates).

After we know who'se on both tickets and the conventions are over (and their bounces taken into account), we'll have a better idea of where we actually stand.

 

[LowlyPion]

So how do we really know how many votes each would bring in?

Ultimately there is the common foe that unites the two.

Seeing an end to the Karl Rove Dick Cheney years, is surely enough prize to ensure cooperation. The fact is that one of them had to come out on top and the two of them do represent slightly different constituencies within the Democratic party.

People in both parties cannot answer that they are better off now than they were 8 years ago and another 4 years is not likely in the cards regardless. Keeping the passion of the two constituencies from the primary process involved however would look to provide the energy that the Republicans can no longer hope to muster in the general election.

 

[turbo]

As to Obama's people being smart ... in chess when you arrive at a known point that forces a win, I would think the smart thing is to take the solution and not muck around by selecting a political hack like Biden that may be more a liability than a benefit.

Obama's people are very smart, and they chose what was best not only for Obama's chances, but for their party as a whole (including trying to elect a filibuster-proof majority to the Senate). Why do you think that Bill has been acting so petulant and pouty? The Obama VP selection committee never even asked for his wife's financial records (as was required of all VP hopefuls), and Obama hired the Clinton campaign manager (Patti Solis Doyle) that Clinton fired, and promised her that she would be chief-of-staff for the incoming VP candidate. The Clintons have known since very early on that she was not going to be on the ticket, and they know why. Too much baggage. The fact that Clinton repeatedly compared Obama unfavorably to McCain should have been enough to keep her off the ticket, even without the baggage.

 

[LowlyPion]

That's just fantasy combined with wishful thinking, LP. Look at some polls for goodness sake! If it is really so bad and McCain would just be four (8?) more years of the same disaster, why are they polling within four percentage points of each other? (on average)

I see this from a lot of democrats - they see the result of this race as a foregone conclusion, while the reality is that it has a long way to go and is frought with potential pitfalls (for both candidates).

Getting out the vote as always will be the thing that matters. Denying the passion of one group doesn't look like good politics to me.

As to why they might be polling within 4 points, that's a good question. But whatever the reasons, the hard facts will be sitting on voters shoulders in the voting booths, with respect to the economy and foreign policy. These Bush years have not been kind to America and ultimately McCain doesn't look like change - especially if Republicans embrace the Rove tactics of past elections.

 

[Evo]

I find this to be weird and don't quite know what to think of it.

Obama says Joe Biden is ready to be president

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling his running mate, Joe Biden, "a leader who is ready to step in and be president."

I guess Obama doesn't think he'll make it for 4 years? What kind of a signal is he sending?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080823/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes

 

[turbo]

I find this to be weird and don't quite know what to think of it.

I guess Obama doesn't think he'll make it for 4 years? What kind of a signal is he sending?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080823/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes

He will be the biggest assassination target ever to take the White House. He is fully cognizant of that. I hope that's not the message he is sending with that statement, but it's got to be on peoples' minds, and may need to be addressed, however subtly. Even now, prior to the convention, the SS detail guarding him probably sees bull's eyes painted on him everywhere he goes. Their job cannot be an easy one - it only takes one loon with a lucky break to take out someone who is in the public eye so frequently.

 

[Cyrus]

Considering the whole WORLD hates GW and he has not been assassinated, I highly doubt Obama will be.

 

[LowlyPion]

I find this to be weird and don't quite know what to think of it.

I guess Obama doesn't think he'll make it for 4 years? What kind of a signal is he sending?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080823/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes

If Biden becomes VP, we should hope that Obama serves his full term.

The same prayer I've been saying 8 years that Bush should finish his term and not subject the country to unfettered Cheney.

 

[turbo]

Considering the whole WORLD hates GW and he has not been assassinated, I highly doubt Obama will be.

Vastly different demographic, Cy. Who hates Bush? People who hate war, torture, unnecessary killing and suffering - sane people, who would not assassinate him.

Who hates Obama? How about right-wing fringe groups including white-supremacists? Which group is more likely to produce an assassin?

If the public is won over by Obama and his family, the risk of assassination increases. That's unfortunate, but I believe it is true.

 

[Cyrus]

Vastly different demographic, Cy. Who hates Bush? People who hate war, torture, unnecessary killing and suffering - sane people, who would not assassinate him.

Who hates Obama? How about right-wing fringe groups including white-supremacists? Which group is more likely to produce an assassin?

If the public is won over by Obama and his family, the risk of assassination increases. That's unfortunate, but I believe it is true.

Not really. People all over the WORLD hate bush. I'm sure he's a prime target whenever he visits any country outside the USA because locals hate him.

 

[Gokul43201]

Not choosing Hilary I think is a big mistake. The 2 of them pulled as many votes in the primaries as they might need to insure election. Presented with a solution, why leave the result in doubt?

Why leave it in doubt, when you can assure a certain loss by picking Hillary.

Wishful thinking or do you have good reason to believe this?

Do you have a good reason to believe that Biden wasn't merely using tough words against a political opponent? Did Biden provide any specific details, explanation or analysis of why Obama was unprepared?

PS: All the folks digging up what Biden had to say about Obama in the Primary had better hope that McCain doesn't pick Romney now... but I can't imagine he will. If there's one thing for sure, it's that McCain can not trust Romney as far as he can throw him.

 

[rbj]

(Obama-Ben Biden)

that would make for pretty good bumper stickers. sort of like the Bush-Satan 2004 stickers of 4 years ago.

 

[rbj]

If there's one thing for sure, it's that McCain can not trust Romney as far as he can throw him.

well, who can? better think twice Gokul, you might be bumping into the ultimate flip-flopper (you can recognize him wearing an empty suit) if you be moving to MA.

 

[Evo]

Joe Biden's middle name is roBINette.

Obama Bin Biden?

 

[Astronuc]

Biden brings a lot of experience to the ticket, particularly on foreign affairs.

As for Obama being inexperienced, he's got way more experience than Bush had at the beginning. Obama is intelligent and keen to learn, Bush was not and is not.


I hope that the Obama and McCain campaigns do not waste time bashing each other, despite the unfortunate fact that that seems to be effective in winning elections during the past two+ decades.


What I want to hear is the positions on policy, particularly energy, national security, and the general welfare. The next president not only had to mend the damage done by Bush with respect to foreign relations, but he must assert fiscal responsibility and stabilize the economy. Taxes should be raised, or government spending must be cut on the order of 20%. The deficit spending abuse must end!

 

[Evo]

I'm not really a fan of Obama, I'm just pro choice, pro gun control, pro gay marriage. I would probably vote for Satan if he was the Democratic choice because I know an Independant is not going to win, so I won't waste my vote.

 

[Astronuc]

I'm independent, but I'm a permanent resident alien so I don't vote. Maybe it's a good time to become a citizen - in which case I'd probably run for Congress - which is the only compelling reason to become a citizen.

 

[LowlyPion]

that would make for pretty good bumper stickers. sort of like the Bush-Satan 2004 stickers of 4 years ago.

I expect Karl Rove has already had a couple of thousand Obama Bin Biden stickers printed up by now.

 

[LowlyPion]

I'm independent, but I'm a permanent resident alien so I don't vote. Maybe it's a good time to become a citizen - in which case I'd probably run for Congress - which is the only compelling reason to become a citizen.

That's one way to get access to affordable health insurance.

 

[Evo]

I'm independent, but I'm a permanent resident alien so I don't vote. Maybe it's a good time to become a citizen - in which case I'd probably run for Congress - which is the only compelling reason to become a citizen.

You would not because you wouldn't cut your hair or shave or wear a suit or shoes.

 

[LowlyPion]

You would not because you wouldn't cut your hair or shave or wear a suit or shoes.

The shoes would be the killer.

No shirt, no shoes, no service I think is a posted sign in the Congressional Cafeteria.

 

[Math Is Hard]

"The Barefoot Congressman" has a certain ring to it, though.

 

[LowlyPion]

"The Barefoot Congressman" has a certain ring to it, though.

Grassroots appeal no doubt.

 

[LowlyPion]

One thing about a barefoot Congressman would be they likely wouldn't be caught in a public restroom soliciting undercover officers.

The idea that one's congressman would be in the mens room - barefoot - would be too damaging.

(Presumably he would wash his feet as well as his hands. But still... ewe.)

 

[Evo]

One thing about a barefoot Congressman would be they likely wouldn't be caught in a public restroom soliciting undercover officers.

The idea that one's congressman would be in the mens room - barefoot - would be too damaging.

(Presumably he would wash his feet as well as his hands. But still... ewe.)

EWE!

I still remember (sort of) the story my first grade teacher told about the men and the "EEWEES". At least I will remember that they are not "EEWEES". And, no Danger, it wasn't that kind of story.

 

[LowlyPion]

EWE!

I still remember (sort of) the story my first grade teacher told about the men and the "EEWEES". At least I will remember that they are not "EEWEES". And, no Danger, it wasn't that kind of story.

With sheep there's lots of directions you can go that are ewe.

 

[Evo]

With sheep there's lots of directions you can go that are ewe.

Lots of directions?

 

[LowlyPion]

Lots of directions?

OK. Several then.

 

[WarPhalange]

Hahaha Look what Google found!

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:kcaQk5Zo_boJ:articles.latimes.com/2008/08/23/news/na-obamakaine23+%3Chttp://articles.latimes.com/2008/08/23/news/na-obamakaine23&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

 

[lisab]

Hahaha Look what Google found!

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:kcaQk5Zo_boJ:articles.latimes.com/2008/08/23/news/na-obamakaine23+%3Chttp://articles.latimes.com/2008/08/23/news/na-obamakaine23&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Oh how funny! It's the modern version of http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4884/deweymh3.jpg"

 

[Evo]

Hahaha Look what Google found!

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:kcaQk5Zo_boJ:articles.latimes.com/2008/08/23/news/na-obamakaine23+%3Chttp://articles.latimes.com/2008/08/23/news/na-obamakaine23&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

They had probably prepared a news story in advance announcing each of the likley candidates so they would be ready to release the correct one ASAP and try to jump the competition. This is normal. usually, this would have remained on their intranet and not publicly viewable. They seem to have taken it off the server, but the page was already cached.

Too funny.

 

[Math Is Hard]

I sometimes wonder how many celebrity obituaries are written in advance.

 

[Evo]

I sometimes wonder how many celebrity obituaries are written in advance.

I've read that they do have a lot of canned film footage ready for tv news and probably the same for the written press.

 

[russ_watters]

I sometimes wonder how many celebrity obituaries are written in advance.

All of them. I read an article about it once, it's disturbing.

Here's one:

It’s never been a secret that when people die after long and distinguished careers, those detailed stories about their passing that major news organizations seem to produce almost instantaneously in fact were written well in advance.

Now news that The Associated Press has prepared an obituary for 26-year-old Britney Spears has put the spotlight on a debate transpiring within the business of reporting death: With people grabbing the celebrity spotlight at a younger age, and some of them living lives of obviously dangerous excess, is it time for news organizations to begin preparing for early exits from celebritydom’s under-30 crowd? ...

The AP has approximately 1,000 prepared obituaries in its files on a wide variety of public figures. [emphasis added]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22757427

 

[Astronuc]

You would not because you wouldn't cut your hair or shave or wear a suit or shoes.

and the problem with that is . . . . ?

 

[Crosson]

I find this to be weird and don't quite know what to think of it.

Obama says Joe Biden is ready to be president

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling his running mate, Joe Biden, "a leader who is ready to step in and be president."

I guess Obama doesn't think he'll make it for 4 years? What kind of a signal is he sending?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080823/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes

To understand Obama's comment, keep in mind the history of the office of the vice president. Before the 20th century the clear role of the VP was to be "the first person in the presidential line of succession", and also a minor role as a senate tie breaker. These are the powers established by the constitution, and the framers intended the VP to have little other duties.

John Adams was the first VP and he said it was "the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived." After John Adams, the next time that a VP attended a cabinet meeting was 1918, under Woodrow Wilson. FDR established the continuing tradition of inviting the VP to all cabinet meetings, and Nixon did a lot of work to make the office into more of a visible policy shaping role, perhaps made possible by the circumstances of Ike's exceptionally poor (among presidents) health.

The point is that Obama's statement is simply addressing the most important traditional criterion for choosing a VP, his readiness to assume the office.