Old Fender Rhodes electric piano

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The discussion revolves around the technical aspects of rebuilding an old Fender Rhodes electric piano, specifically focusing on the stereo pan circuit and its associated popping noise when light bulbs are switched off. Participants explore potential modifications to the circuit to mitigate this issue.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster questions the safety and effectiveness of adding capacitors between the collectors and emitters of the 2N3053 transistors to reduce popping noise.
  • Some participants suggest that adding capacitors may not harm the transistors but could introduce a reactive load that affects the vibrato amplitude.
  • There is a proposal to use a resistor between the capacitors and the bases of the transistors to potentially modify the vibrato waveform, although the desirability of this change is left open for subjective evaluation.
  • One participant shares their background in circuits and expresses a preference for the mechanical action of Rhodes pianos compared to Wurlitzer models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to eliminate the popping noise, and there are differing opinions on the implications of modifying the circuit components.

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Considerations regarding the type of capacitors (polarized vs. non-polarized) and the specific impact of increased capacitance on the vibrato effect remain unresolved.

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Hello everyone! I have an old Fender Rhodes electric piano I am rebuilding and I have a question. It uses a stereo pan circuit which pans the signal back and forth between the left and right amplifiers. It does this with a simple oscillator circuit that drives two 2N3053 transistors (now replaced with NTE 128's) that switch two light bulbs back and forth which then control each channel via a photo-cell. When the light bulbs get switched OFF, you get a bit of a pop each time. This results in a slight popping or thumping that pans back and forth when the light bulbs turn off. I put 2 68uf capacitors between the collectors and emitters of the 2n3053's and this helped a lot. The popping is hardly noticeable. I am wondering if A) is that safe to put those caps there, and B) if so, can I put in a higher uf cap to completely rid of the pop. I am wondering if this is safe for those transistors. Also, should I be using polarized or non-polarized electrolytics Thanks everyone!

P.S. Here is a schematic of the entire pre-amplifier with the vibrato circuit: http://www.fenderrhodes.com/org/manual/index2.html
 
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Very Sorry, I thought that was a direct link to the schematic. To get to the schematic, click on "schematics" and it is Fig 11-8 "Pre-amp for 80 Watt suitcase and super satellite."
 


i don't see any reason it would hurt the 2N3053 transistors (that are driving the light bulbs). it would cause a little reactive load to the transistors in the flip-flop oscillator that is driving the 2N3053s. it will reduce the amplitude of the vibrato for faster vibrato as you increase the capacitance. you could put a resistor between the caps and the bases of the transistors to maybe round out the vibrato waveform a little. that may or may not be desirable. you have to listen to it to see.

i'm more of a DSP guy now, but long ago, in another life (about the same time the Rhodes was designed), i was a sort of circuits guy. I've always thought the mechanical action of the older Rhodeses were a little hard compared to a Wurlitzer model 200.

best of luck,
 


Thanks for the reply! I have actually never played a Wurlitizer. Just my Rhodes and my B3...but playing Steinways on jazz gigs, the Rhodes feels good to me...I tend to like the heavier action.
 

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