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Online Course Work Question - Dynamics

  1. Sep 25, 2006 #1
    Hello everyone, I'm sorry if a question like this has been posted before, but I am trying to get my online work done for tonight and I have come across two problems that I just cant get past. I have gotten far into the problems but the website I enter values in on says theyre wrong. I appreciate any help I can get.

    Question 1:

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    On a level road with its brakes on, the shortest distance in which a car traveling with 98 km/hr can stop is 92 m. The shortest stopping distance occurs when the driver uses anti-lock brakes, which means that the car brakes without skidding.

    I found |a| to be: 4.027 m/s^2

    Next it asks for b) What is the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the pavement?

    I looked up the coefficient of friction for concrete and rubber and it says 1. Now when I put that in it says it's wrong. I was wondering how its possible to figure out a problem like this with no value for mass.

    Question 2:

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    A block of mass M = 15 kg is suspended at rest by two strings attached to walls, as shown in the figure. The left string is horizontal and the right string makes an angle q = 50° with the horizontal. What is the tension in the left string? (Assume the ring where the strings come together is massless.)

    Ok, this one I thought I had the right answer after working through it but the site says I'm wrong. Here's what I did:

    15kg=147.15N

    Since there are two strings holding up the block, 147.15/2=73.58

    That means that the T in the y direction of the right string is 73.58N.

    Then TRy=73.58/sin50 or 96.045 N

    Now if I might be mistaken but that force doesnt really matter because what I can use is the T on the right string in the x direction is equal to the T on the left string in the x direction (because the system is in equilibrium).

    So: F in x direction on the right string= 73.58/tan50

    Which means that the T on the left string= 61.74 N

    I might be missing a key concept here, but any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks! (And go easy on my please, I know what its like to read posts by newbies.)
     
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  3. Sep 25, 2006 #2
    Yeah, Ive been looking around online and I havent seen any equation or group of equations to figure out friction without a mass.
     
  4. Sep 25, 2006 #3

    Chi Meson

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    You have the acceleration. Newton's 2nd law says what about acceleration? (hint: consider the frictional force to be the only force on the car tires)
     
  5. Sep 25, 2006 #4
    F=ma

    Ok, I was trying to use that but dont we have two unknowns here?

    We dont know m, and we cant get the FF=(mu)FN

    So how can I use the Force of friction on the tires if I have no mass and only acceleration?
     
  6. Sep 25, 2006 #5
    Oh, and there's an update...I got the second problem by not dividing the force in the y direction by two. It was a pure guess and check, so if someone can explain why that would be greatly appreciated.
     
  7. Sep 25, 2006 #6

    Astronuc

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    Chi meson was alluding to m*a = (mu) m*g => a = (mu) g and knowing a and g, one calculates 'mu'.


    For the second problem, one string holds up the block. The vertical component of the Tension in the string at 50° supports the weight of the block. The horizontal component of the Tension in the string at 50° is balance by the Tension in the horizontal string.
     
  8. Sep 25, 2006 #7
    Oh wow, I cant believe I didnt see that, I had it almost written like that except I dint have ma on the other side, in which case i would have no way to cancel the mass.

    Thanks much both Chi and Astro!
     
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