Online Course Work Question - Dynamics

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The discussion revolves around two dynamics problems related to friction and tension in strings. The first problem involves calculating the coefficient of static friction for a car stopping on a level road, while the second problem focuses on the tension in a string supporting a block at rest.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the challenge of determining the coefficient of friction without a mass value and question the relationship between acceleration and frictional force. There is also exploration of the equilibrium conditions for the block suspended by two strings, with attempts to clarify the contributions of each string's tension.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between mass, acceleration, and friction, suggesting that knowing acceleration and gravitational force can help find the coefficient of friction. There is acknowledgment of a misunderstanding in the second problem regarding the division of forces, leading to a correction in the approach taken.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of mass in the first problem as a constraint and discuss the implications of this for solving the problem. The second problem's setup involves a specific angle and the assumption of equilibrium, which is also under examination.

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Hello everyone, I'm sorry if a question like this has been posted before, but I am trying to get my online work done for tonight and I have come across two problems that I just can't get past. I have gotten far into the problems but the website I enter values in on says theyre wrong. I appreciate any help I can get.

Question 1:

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On a level road with its brakes on, the shortest distance in which a car traveling with 98 km/hr can stop is 92 m. The shortest stopping distance occurs when the driver uses anti-lock brakes, which means that the car brakes without skidding.

I found |a| to be: 4.027 m/s^2

Next it asks for b) What is the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the pavement?

I looked up the coefficient of friction for concrete and rubber and it says 1. Now when I put that in it says it's wrong. I was wondering how its possible to figure out a problem like this with no value for mass.

Question 2:

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A block of mass M = 15 kg is suspended at rest by two strings attached to walls, as shown in the figure. The left string is horizontal and the right string makes an angle q = 50° with the horizontal. What is the tension in the left string? (Assume the ring where the strings come together is massless.)

Ok, this one I thought I had the right answer after working through it but the site says I'm wrong. Here's what I did:

15kg=147.15N

Since there are two strings holding up the block, 147.15/2=73.58

That means that the T in the y direction of the right string is 73.58N.

Then TRy=73.58/sin50 or 96.045 N

Now if I might be mistaken but that force doesn't really matter because what I can use is the T on the right string in the x direction is equal to the T on the left string in the x direction (because the system is in equilibrium).

So: F in x direction on the right string= 73.58/tan50

Which means that the T on the left string= 61.74 N

I might be missing a key concept here, but any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks! (And go easy on my please, I know what its like to read posts by newbies.)
 

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Yeah, I've been looking around online and I haven't seen any equation or group of equations to figure out friction without a mass.
 
You have the acceleration. Newton's 2nd law says what about acceleration? (hint: consider the frictional force to be the only force on the car tires)
 
F=ma

Ok, I was trying to use that but don't we have two unknowns here?

We don't know m, and we can't get the FF=(mu)FN

So how can I use the Force of friction on the tires if I have no mass and only acceleration?
 
Oh, and there's an update...I got the second problem by not dividing the force in the y direction by two. It was a pure guess and check, so if someone can explain why that would be greatly appreciated.
 
We don't know m, and we can't get the FF=(mu)FN[/sup]


Chi meson was alluding to m*a = (mu) m*g => a = (mu) g and knowing a and g, one calculates 'mu'.


For the second problem, one string holds up the block. The vertical component of the Tension in the string at 50° supports the weight of the block. The horizontal component of the Tension in the string at 50° is balance by the Tension in the horizontal string.
 
Oh wow, I can't believe I didnt see that, I had it almost written like that except I dint have ma on the other side, in which case i would have no way to cancel the mass.

Thanks much both Chi and Astro!
 

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