Open Access Publishing in Physics: Benefits & Platforms

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the topic of open access publishing in physics, particularly in the context of quantum theory and mathematical physics. Participants explore the benefits and challenges of publishing openly, the peer review process, and the implications for researchers' careers.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire for open access publishing to ensure wider availability of research, questioning the necessity of traditional peer review.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of articles in both respected journals and preprint platforms like arXiv, with some arguing that peer review is not infallible.
  • There is a suggestion that researchers should assess article quality through reading and citation rather than relying solely on peer review.
  • Some participants emphasize the time and expertise required for thorough article reviews, noting that not all researchers can evaluate every article effectively.
  • Questions are posed about the potential career impact of publishing solely on platforms like arXiv, with some suggesting that traditional peer-reviewed journals are still necessary for professional advancement.
  • Concerns are raised about the proliferation of low-quality open access journals that prioritize publication fees over rigorous peer review.
  • Some participants argue that the ability to discern quality in research is crucial and that informal peer review mechanisms could supplement formal processes.
  • There is a discussion about the increasing acceptance of open access publishing, particularly in light of funding requirements for publicly funded research.
  • Concerns about the financial aspects of open access publishing are mentioned, particularly regarding the sustainability of journals that rely on author fees.
  • Participants highlight the differences in the reliability of results across various fields, such as physics versus medicine, where the stakes of publishing erroneous results can be significantly higher.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and necessity of peer review, the quality of open access journals, and the implications for researchers' careers. No consensus is reached on the best approach to publishing in physics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the varying standards of peer review across disciplines, the potential biases in evaluating open access journals, and the financial implications of publishing models. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on the role of peer review and the quality assurance of scientific literature.

Geometry_dude
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Hi there,

I'm trying to dip my feet into the worlds of publishing in physics (quantum theory/mathematical physics) and I would like to make sure that it's available for anyone who wants to read it.

I know one of the paths many researchers take is that they send their article to a big journal in their field and then they publish "preprints" of this article e.g. on the arXiv.

But what about the other route? Why not publish it openly in the first place?

I understand the point of the peer review process, but it appears to be far from ideal. Personally I have read articles in respected journals that were bogus and I've also read brilliant articles published purely on arXiv - and of course also the other way around. I mean, isn't it the researchers work to assess the quality of an article? Does this process not endanger the freedom of science?
Wouldn't it make more sense to review and endorse good articles by reading and then citing them?

Could it hurt my career if I published only, for example, on arXiv?

What are other common ways/platforms for physicists to publish open access without supporting the waste of public money to overpriced journals?
 
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Geometry_dude said:
I understand the point of the peer review process, but it appears to be far from ideal. Personally I have read articles in respected journals that were bogus and I've also read brilliant articles published purely on arXiv - and of course also the other way around.
Peer review is far from perfect, but it is the best we have right now. It reminds me of Churchill's "Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Geometry_dude said:
I mean, isn't it the researchers work to assess the quality of an article?
But you can't. Reviewing an article takes time, and often requires going back in the literature to clarify some things. I can't do that with every article I read. This is especially true if the article is not in my specialty: I need to be sure it has been vetted out.

Geometry_dude said:
Does this process not endanger the freedom of science?
I don't see how. In science, the truth somehow always comes out on top. If someone's ideas are correct, they'll find a way to get them published.

Geometry_dude said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to review and endorse good articles by reading and then citing them?
What about feedback? If you miss the mark on something, turning what would have been a good article into a so-so article, are you stuck then? Even novelists get edited: you need someone to go through your work and criticize it before publication.

Geometry_dude said:
Could it hurt my career if I published only, for example, on arXiv?
As a professional scientist? I don't know anyone who can make a career without publishing in peer-reviewed journals.

Geometry_dude said:
What are other common ways/platforms for physicists to publish open access without supporting the waste of public money to overpriced journals?
That's begging the question. The peer review process, publishing, and archival process is very expensive. That are plenty of journals run by non-profit organizations (APS, IOP, etc.), without any money going to commercial publishers.
 
People need to beware that there are a lot of open access "journals" with minimal or no peer-review standards that apparently exist mainly to collect publishing fees from authors, or serve as an outlet for university faculty in countries where they are mainly evaluated on the sheer number of papers that they publish, without regard to quality.

Scientific Articles Accepted (Personal Checks, Too) (NY Times)
 
Well, the reason why I am asking these questions is that it appears like if I choose a certain way of publishing, I am casting a vote for this way of publishing. I appreciate any input, especially from people who have already walked this path.

DrClaude said:
But you can't. Reviewing an article takes time, and often requires going back in the literature to clarify some things. I can't do that with every article I read. This is especially true if the article is not in my specialty: I need to be sure it has been vetted out.
I don't know, I grew up with the internet and this has made me deeply accustomed to bogus :biggrin:. You can never be really sure that whatever you're reading is bullet-proof (unless you invest a lot of time to check it), especially if you're not accustomed to the field.

Clearly, fully checking an article takes a lot of time, but on the other hand, as long as one is within one's own field, there's certain things one can look out for to rate the quality of the paper like the degree of mathematical rigor, obvious mistakes, misconceptions, the language and the care taken in making statements (wrong use of terminology, oversimplification, ...). Some of these things one can notice while flying over the article, things that don't take much time to check. This makes it possible to weed out the worst. I'm sure you do this yourself. I used to browse internet forums when getting into a new hobby and as you can imagine there's all kinds of nonsense to be found there as well as really good, new information one doesn't find in books. Sometimes people would then post review and collection threads and this way it was possible to keep a certain overview and consensus on what works and what doesn't.

Why shouldn't it be possible for science to work like that? Doesn't it already work like that in some way?

It really appears to me that the ability to separate good content from bad content is vital for a researcher.

Nonetheless, if one is not accustomed to a field, it is very difficult to figure out the credibility of the statements made, I totally agree, and the argument from authority, is then one of the few recourses available.

DrClaude said:
What about feedback? If you miss the mark on something, turning what would have been a good article into a so-so article, are you stuck then? Even novelists get edited: you need someone to go through your work and criticize it before publication.

I agree with that, but that doesn't need to happen on the publisher level, where it could act as a censor. If a researcher publishes a nonsense article with his or her name on it then this hurts him or her reputation as well. So there's a natural incentive to publish high quality papers and ask other people for advice.
DrClaude said:
That's begging the question. The peer review process, publishing, and archival process is very expensive. That are plenty of journals run by non-profit organizations (APS, IOP, etc.), without any money going to commercial publishers.

So you suggest publishing there? What about uploading preprints? Aren't there any peer-reviewed open-access journals, where the entire process is government funded?
 
Many people do publish openly and I think that this is quickly becoming more and more accepted. In fact, a number of grants are now making it a requirement (or at least encouraging) that all work published from the grant be made publically available. That makes a lot of sense, particularly when the grants are publically funded.

I think a lot of people get nervous when money gets involved though. Because it takes money to make something open access it's not too difficult to jump into a model where the funding for the journal comes from authors willing to pay to have their work published.

Personally I think a lot of physics journals are reasonably immune from this though. Bogus results are relatively easy to spot or at least will not be repeatable if they are wrong.

But what about fields like medicine where (i) the success or failure of a drug trail can translate into hundred of millions of dollars and (ii) the variables of the experiment are not as easy to control? In situations like this, its not hard to see how bogus results could easily make their way into the literature and avoid detection for a long time.
 

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