Optical path length change due to absorption

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The discussion revolves around the optical path length change in optical fibers due to absorption, particularly focusing on the effects of temperature changes resulting from power dissipation over time. Participants explore calculations related to optical path length, temperature change, and energy absorption in the context of a fiber optic system.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for optical path length change, incorporating the refractive index and length of the fiber, and calculates a specific change based on given parameters.
  • Another participant challenges the initial calculations regarding power absorption, asserting that only a fraction of the power is absorbed, leading to a different temperature change calculation.
  • There is a discussion about the instantaneous nature of energy absorption and the need to approximate temperature increase over a prolonged period, with a focus on the specific heat of the fiber material.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correct energy calculation over time, with conflicting results presented regarding the total energy absorbed over 12 hours.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the calculations regarding temperature change and energy absorption, with differing interpretations of the data and formulas presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to factor in time for temperature change.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential missing assumptions regarding thermal isolation and the specific heat of the fiber, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations of energy and temperature change.

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Hey, so I am trying to figure out the optical path length change of an optical fiber due to absorption. I'll post what I have so far and let me know if I have done anything wrong or if you have suggestions.

so the optical path length is
L' = nL
(L' is optical path length, n is refractive index and L is the length)

the change in length is
dL' = L dn + n dL \approx L_0 n_0 \beta \Delta T + n_0 L_0 \alpha \Delta T
Where \beta=1.28\times10^{-5} /^{\circ}C is the change in refractive index with temperature
\alpha = 5.5\times10^{-7}/^{\circ}C is the thermal expansion coefficient
L_0 = 700\text{m} is the original length and n_0 = 1.4585 is the original refractive index

this all gives dL' = (14.763\times 10^{-3} m/^{\circ} C)\Delta T

For the temperature change I know the attenuation is 0.2dB/km so for 700m that is 0.14dB and if the output is 0dBm (1mW) then this gives an absorbed amount of power of 0.14dB or 0.9683mW

(this next part is where I am a little unclear)

The change in temperature would be equal to
\Delta T = \frac{\text{Power Dissapated}}{\text{Thermal Conductivity}\times\text{Length}} = \frac{P}{TC \times L_0}
the thermal conductivity of fused silica is 1.3W/mK

This would give a temperature change of
\Delta T = 1.064 \times 10^{-6} C


But there is a problem here, time is not involved, my system is running for close to 12 hours and should be constantly increasing in temperature (minus the dissipated heat but I am assuming that is not much of a factor as the cable is insulated)

How do I factor in time to determine the rate of temperature change which would then give me the change in length per hour?


Any help is greatly appreciated, Cheers!
 
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stevenjones3.1 said:
For the temperature change I know the attenuation is 0.2dB/km so for 700m that is 0.14dB and if the output is 0dBm (1mW) then this gives an absorbed amount of power of 0.14dB or 0.9683mW

0.14 dB power loss means 0.968 mW is *transmitted* through the fiber (with 1 mW initial power)- only 0.03 mW is absorbed. Then, instead of:

stevenjones3.1 said:
This would give a temperature change of
\Delta T = 1.064 \times 10^{-6} C

I get a temperature change of 2.3*10^-5 mK (thermally isolating the fiber form the environment). In any case, the reason there is no time dependence is because you started with a time-independent equation: it was ΔT, not T(t).

Does this help?
 
Oh thanks for the correction on the first part, that was a silly mistake.

The amount of energy absorbed by the fiber is instantaneous and continuous right. So if the system absorbs 0.03mW of the optical power, there should be a way to make an approximation an figure out the increase in temperature over a period of 12 hours, right?
 
Sure: 0.03 mW * 12 hrs = 2.6 J. Now all you need is the specific heat of the fiber and anything in thermal contact with the fiber.
 
Thanks!
 
Except I think its 1.3J
 
Andy Resnick said:
Sure: 0.03 mW * 12 hrs = 2.6 J. Now all you need is the specific heat of the fiber and anything in thermal contact with the fiber.

stevenjones3.1 said:
Except I think its 1.3J

Oopsy...
 

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