Variation of eikonal (phase) set to zero

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the variational principles in classical mechanics and optics, specifically focusing on the eikonal and its implications in the context of Fermat's principle. Participants explore whether the problem of optics can be considered a variational problem similar to that in mechanics, particularly in terms of minimizing action versus the phase eikonal.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant draws an analogy between Fermat's principle in optics and Maupertuis' principle in classical mechanics, suggesting that both involve setting variations to zero.
  • Another participant introduces the Hamilton-Jacobi equation as a relevant framework for discussing the eikonal, indicating a connection to classical mechanics.
  • A participant questions the nature of the variational principle in optics, noting that while action is minimized in mechanics, the integral for the eikonal does not lead to a minimum value across all paths.
  • There is a challenge regarding the absence of scalar products in the context of the eikonal equation, with references to established texts that include scalar products in their formulations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the variational principle in optics can be treated similarly to that in mechanics. There is no consensus on the implications of the eikonal or the nature of the variational problem in optics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the constraints of the eikonal equation and the differences in how action is treated in mechanics versus optics, suggesting that assumptions about path minimization may not apply uniformly across both fields.

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We know, in optics Fermat's principle is written in analogy with principle of Maupertuis in Classical mechanics (given by \delta S=\delta\int\vec{p}\cdot d\vec{l}=0). In terms of the wave vector it is written as \delta\psi=\delta\int\vec{k}\cdot d\vec{l}=0. Here \psi is known as eikonal (or, phase).

For a monochromatic wave of fixed frequency,|\vec{k}|=\frac{\omega}{v}=\frac{\omega}{c}\frac{c}{v}=|\vec{k_0}|\frac{c}{v}=|\vec{k_0}|n (n is refractive index). Using that the above reduces to
|\vec{k_0}|\delta\int\ n\ dl=0 or \delta\int\ n\ dl=0 which can be identified as more familiar form of Fermat's principle.[we have calculated the line integral along the direction of \vec{k}]

Notice that it is reached by setting the variation of \psi to zero like in mechanics we have principle of Maupertuis by setting variation of action S equal to zero. It is known that action is minimized in mechanics to get the classical path traced by the system. But is the case same with the phase eikonal also? Landau (section 53-54) identifies \vec{k}=\nabla\psi and thus \psi is a scalar potential of a conservative field. That means whatever path you choose from A to B,the integral \int_{A}^{B}\vec{k}\cdot\ dl=\int_{A}^{B}|\vec{k}|\ dl will remain the same. Anyway, the minimization of optical path is evident from the familiar form of Fermat's principle: \delta\int\ n\ dl=0 what can be proved using geometry.

The only difference is that action S is not constrained by any partial differential equation like \psi is. \psi is constrained the eikonal equation given by (\nabla\psi)^2=\ n^2-here n is refractive index...Anyway, what I wonder is that whether it is possible to call the problem of optics a variational problem: we are not actually minimizing \psi for \psi(B)-\psi(A) is the same for all the paths...(unless you constrain it via eikonal equation).

Do people know the explanation for it? May be I am missing something...
 
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Maupertuis in Classical mechanics

\delta\int^{t_1}_{t_0}2Tdt=0

2Tdt=m\upsilon^2dt=m\upsilon\upsilondt=pds

so

\delta\int^{M_1}_{M_0}pds=0

No scalar product!

Eikonal is solution of equation

(\frac{\partial F}{\partial x})^2+(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y})^2+(\frac{\partial F}{\partial z})^2=\frac{\omega^2}{c^2}n^2(x,y,z)

So I think is good to go with Hamilton - Jacobi equation

(\frac{\partial W}{\partial x})^2+(\frac{\partial W}{\partial y})^2+(\frac{\partial W}{\partial z})^2=2m[E-U(\vec{r})]=p^2
 
Yes...but I did not ask that...what I asked is following:-

In mechanics, the problem is posed like this: you are to find the desired path by minimizing action...not all paths will lead to the minimum value of action.

But in optics, the variational principle \delta\int\vec{k}\cdot\ d\vec{l}=0 does NOT minimize the eikonal (for the integral is the same along all the paths).Yet when you reduce this to \delta\int\ n\ dl=0,the minimization is apparent...

Why is this difference?
 
I do not know why you say there would not be any scalar product...In many texts including Landau the equation is written in terms of scalar product. Only when you choose your contour along the direction of motion,you get cosine term to be unity.
 

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