Optics; Deriving the index of refraction from Snell's law

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The discussion revolves around deriving the index of refraction using Snell's law in the context of optics, specifically involving light refraction through a prism. Participants are analyzing the relationships between angles and refractive indices as described by the law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to apply Snell's law to two refractions but express confusion about the implications of angles and the squared nature of the refractive index. There are discussions about the relationships between angles and the assumptions regarding the refractive indices in different media.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and clarifications regarding trigonometric identities and the relationships between angles. There is ongoing exploration of how to express the refractive index in terms of the angles involved, with no clear consensus yet on the approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem and the need for a better understanding of trigonometric functions. There is also mention of specific angles and their relationships, which may affect the interpretation of the problem.

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Homework Statement



There is a diagram in the problem statement so here is a link to the image of the problem:
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Homework Equations



Snell's Law:

[itex]n_{1} * sin(\theta_{1}) = n_{2} * sin(\theta_{2})[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt using Snell's law fails because I can't see how it is possible that n ever becomes squared. It looks like either some sort of vector addition or some use of Pythagorean theorem but I haven't been able to determine how to use those ideas to solve the problem.

I can see some use of special triangles given the angles are 60 degrees, but it's a bit overwhelming and my trig skills are a bit rusty.

Thanks.
 
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Start by writing out Snell's law for each of the two refractions.
 
hi steve233! :smile:

hint: θ2 + θ3 = … ? :wink:
 
Hmm... So here is another attempt:

1st refraction:
[itex]n_{1} * sin(\theta_{1}) = n * sin(\theta_{2})[/itex]

2nd refraction:
[itex]n * sin(\theta_{3}) = n_{1} * sin(\theta)[/itex]

Here I assume that the refractive index is the same when the light is outside of the prism and inside of the prism.

I think I'm wrong here but, [itex]\theta_{2} + \theta_{3} = 60^{\circ}[/itex].
I think this is wrong because it seems like [itex]90^{\circ} - \theta_{2}[/itex] = [itex]60^{\circ} \Longrightarrow \theta_{2} = 30^{\circ}[/itex].

I'm still stuck on how things become squared though...
 
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steve233 said:
Hmm... So here is another attempt:

1st refraction:
[itex]n_{1} * sin(\theta_{1}) = n * sin(\theta_{2})[/itex]

2nd refraction:
[itex]n * sin(\theta_{3}) = n_{1} * sin(\theta)[/itex]

Ok. You can assume that outside the prism you just have air where ##n_1 ≈ 1.00##. You also know the value of ##\theta_1##. So, you have three unknowns: ##\theta_2##, ##\theta_3## and ##n##. [Edit: That is, you need to eliminate ##\theta_2## and ##\theta_3## so that you can express ##n## in terms of ##\theta##.]

Here I assume that the refractive index is the same when the light is outside of the prism and inside of the prism.

I'm not following you here. ##n_1## is for air and ##n## is for the prism material.

I think I'm wrong here but, [itex]\theta_{2} + \theta_{3} = 60^{\circ}[/itex].

Not sure how you got that, but I think it's right! So, that's your third equation.
I think this is wrong because it seems like [itex]90^{\circ} - \theta_{2}[/itex] = [itex]60^{\circ} \Longrightarrow \theta_{2} = 30^{\circ}[/itex].
I don't see how you are deducing that. In fact, I don't think there is any way to find the values of ##\theta_2## and ##\theta_3## individually since they would depend on ##n##.

I'm still stuck on how things become squared though...

The square will show up in doing the algebra of solving for ##n## in terms of ##\theta##.
 
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Ah ok, very helpful. Thanks.

[itex]n_{1}[/itex] is indeed the refractive index of air, I should have mentioned that.

So the equations become:

(1) [itex]\sqrt{3} / 2 = n * sin(\theta_{2})[/itex]
(2) [itex]n * sin(\theta_{3}) = sin(\theta)[/itex]
(3) [itex]\theta_{2} + \theta_{3} = 60^{\circ}[/itex]

[itex]\theta_{3} = 60^{\circ} - \theta_{2}[/itex]
[itex]n * sin(\theta_{3}) = n * sin(60^{\circ} - \theta_{2}) = n * (sin(60)cos(\theta_{2}) - cos(60)sin(\theta_{2}))[/itex]

[itex]\theta_{2} = arcsin(\sqrt{3}/(2 * n))[/itex]

So,
[itex]n * (sin(60)cos(\theta_{2}) - cos(60)sin(\theta_{2}))[/itex]
[itex]n * ((\sqrt{3} / 2) * cos(arcsin(\sqrt{3}/(2 * n)) - (1/2) * sin(arcsin(\sqrt{3}/(2 * n))) = sin(\theta)[/itex]

This seems a little complicated... I know there is a simple replacement for cos(arcsin x) but I don't know anything that simply replaces sin(arcsin x). Am I on the wrong track here?

Thanks again for the help.
 
hi steve233! :smile:

sin(arcsin(x)) = x

cos(arcsin(x)) = √(1-x2) :wink:
 
Ah yes... more evidence that I need to brush up on my trig :)
I'll give this a shot and post the update soon.

Thanks!

Edit: Success! Thanks for all of the help TSny and tiny-tim.
I'm a bit new to these forums, is there some way to "upvote"?
 
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(just got up :zzz:)

not needed … saying "thanks" is enough! :smile:
 

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