Optics: white object reflection properties

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reflection properties of red light on red and white surfaces, exploring how color affects the intensity and spectrum of reflected light. Participants examine the implications of absorption and reflectivity in both cases, considering theoretical and practical aspects of optics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that a red object reflects all red light and absorbs none, while questioning the behavior of a white surface under the same conditions.
  • Another participant states that some light will be absorbed by both surfaces, but the reflected light from the white surface will retain the same wavelength as the incident light, barring any fluorescence effects.
  • Questions arise regarding whether the intensity of the reflected light will be the same for both surfaces, with some suggesting it is unlikely due to different reflectivities.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of white surfaces, noting that they are not mirrors and that reflected light will be diffuse, potentially affecting intensity.
  • A participant proposes that total energy reflected may be a more relevant parameter than color alone, suggesting that this could be the same for both surfaces.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of measuring absorbed light, highlighting the challenge of sensing what has been absorbed and the ambiguity around "proposed variables" and the "incident plane."
  • It is noted that adding color to a white surface may alter its reflectivity, and that two surfaces could theoretically have the same coefficient of reflection for a specific wavelength despite their color differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of surface color on light reflection, with no consensus reached regarding the intensity of reflected light or the implications of absorption. Multiple competing perspectives remain on the relationship between color, reflectivity, and intensity.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that reflectivity can depend on material properties and the wavelength of incident light, indicating that assumptions about uniformity in reflectivity may not hold true across different surfaces.

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If a red light drops on a red object, we know that all of the red light is reflected, and none is absorbed. But what happens if a red light drops on a white surface, is all of the red light reflected, will the intensity of the reflected light be the same? Or will the reflected light be of a different spectrum(meaning different colour, since a very small portion is absorbed)?
 
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In both cases some light will be absorbed.
And the light reflected by the white surface will have the same wavelength as the incident light. Unless there is some fluorescence induced by the red light. (Not very likely for red light on paper)
 
How about the intensity? Will it be the same?
 
Maniaks said:
How about the intensity? Will it be the same?

Probably not. It is very unlikely both surfaces would have the exact same reflectivity, but not impossible.
 
What Drakkith said.
But a "white surface" is not a mirror (is it?) and the reflected light will be diffuse. So the intensity (energy per unit area of angle) will be lower. But this is true (or may be) for the red surface too.

It may be that you are not asking the right question. Total energy reflected may be a better parameter. And this may be the same or not. Color is not the only factor.
 
If I had an device which would be sensitive to the amount and intensity of the light absorbed, would it show the same value(assuming the proposed variable is dependent on the factors mentioned before) for a red surface and a white one(not mirror)(presume a red light is falling to the incident plane, and the reflected the light is measured), assuming both of the surfaces are more or less the same(only the colour differs)? From your answers, I conclude that they would be the same, I just want to confirm this.
 
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How would you have a device sensitive to the light absorbed?
If it's absorbed, it's not there to be "sensed", is it?

I don't really understand your goal. What do you mean by "proposed variables"? What are these variables? And what is the "incident plane"?

Adding color to a white surface may change its reflectivity.
But you can also have two surfaces, one white and one red, with the same coefficient of reflection for you specific wavelength. What more is to it? The reflectivity of the surface depends on properties of the material as well as the wavelength of the incident radiation.
 

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