Optimal Course Selection for Math and Physics Students

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The discussion centers around the optimal sequence for taking multivariable calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations for math and physics students. Participants explore various educational paths and prerequisites, considering both personal experiences and institutional requirements.

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  • Some participants recommend taking linear algebra before or concurrently with multivariable calculus, suggesting that it clarifies concepts.
  • Others express uncertainty about the best order, with some advocating for taking courses concurrently depending on personal capability and workload.
  • A participant mentions that at their institution, multivariable calculus is a prerequisite for differential equations and linear algebra.
  • There are differing opinions on whether multivariable calculus refers to a standard Calculus 3 course or a more advanced course.
  • One participant argues that for physics majors, the best order is multivariable calculus, linear algebra, then differential equations, due to the integration of linear algebra concepts in differential equations.
  • Another participant shares their experience of taking multivariable calculus first, followed by differential equations and linear algebra, and suggests that this order may not reinforce learning effectively.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of differential equations being a collection of techniques that may be hard to retain without practical application.
  • A freshman in college seeks advice on whether to take differential equations or linear algebra next semester, weighing the relevance of these courses to future physics studies.
  • One participant notes that general physics courses may not require extensive mathematical knowledge, suggesting that linear algebra might be easier to grasp and retain compared to differential equations.

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Participants express a variety of opinions regarding the order of courses, with no clear consensus on the optimal sequence. Some advocate for linear algebra first, while others suggest different approaches based on personal experiences and institutional guidelines.

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Participants mention varying prerequisites and course structures at different institutions, which may influence their recommendations. There is also a noted difference in the content and focus of calculus courses for physics versus math majors.

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Would it make more sense to take multivariable calculus before linear algebra and differential equations? Or would it be okay to take linear algebra and differential equations before multivariable calculus?
 
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I would most certainly recommend taking Linear Algebra before (or with, if you can) Multivariable Calculus, as some ideas become more lucid and apparent with it in hand. As for Differential Equations, I have no idea; Multivariable Calculus is a prerequisite for the course where I go.
 
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I agree with Cubert. Linear algebra is extremely fundamental.
 
could take it concurrently?
 
You should probably ask your department head/academic advisor if that is possible. Multivariable calc is a prereg to diff eq and linear alg at my school.
 
courtrigrad said:
could take it concurrently?

Depends on interest, will and ambition. :smile:
 
Linear Algebra first.

I took linear, Multi-cal, Advance Cal, and ODE simutaneously. I managed to survive.
 
My school offers them in either order, but recommends that you don't take them concurrently. I was planning on Linear Algebra & Diff. Eq. first.
 
When you guys say Multi-Variable calculus, are you referring to the standard Calculus 3 course, or are you talking about a course that is taken beyond Calc 3?
 
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standard calc 3 course.

I'm currently taking calc 3 differential equations and linear algebra simultaneously. if your willing to work really hard it can be done, but I would have to say that I don't feel like I'm getting everything at the same level that I normally would, and so I think it's best to take them separately (although diff eq and linear algebra an go together)

I would say that for a physics major the best order would be calc 3, linear algebra, and then diff eq just because there is a lot of linear algebra in diff eq's and you want to understand that, but also because the linear algebra notation that can be incorporated into calc 3 is absent from every physics textbook that I've ever seen. Therefore a non-linear algebra based calc 3 course followed by linear algebra followed by diff eq would be the best course of action.

it might be different for math majors, I've seen huge differences between a calc 3 course for physics and engineering majors, and a calc 3 course for math majors in the past.
 
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I took multi calc first, then diff eq's, then linear algebra. I remember a lot of multi calc, a good chunk of linear, and NOTHING from diff eq's. Nothing. I would take that last, so it just builds off anything your other classes overlap with it.
 
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At my school we have Calc 3 which has intro multivariable stuff, and then we have a class called "Multi-Variable Calculus", and the prerequisites for it are Calc 3 and Linear Algebra, and the class directly following multi-variable calc is complex variables, and ODE's 2.
 
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I think the problem with diff eq is that its mainly a collection of tricks, that makes it difficult to remember anything from it without havingsomething to use it for.
 
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Yeah, basically. It was taking a shot in the dark and guessing the answer, and then checking if you were right. And you never really got better at guessing the more you practiced...
 
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all hale the glorious laplace transform

no guessing solutions.
 
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On a similar note, I am a freshmen in college about to register for enxt semesters classes, I am taking Multi-Variable Calc right now, and in the past have just done calc 1 and 2, Next semester I can take either Differential Eqs or Linear Algebra or both but I will not have the time for that most likely. I have heard Linear Algebra is easier, would it be better to wait until sophomore year for diff eq or would diff eq help me out at all in the electromagnetism section of the General Physics course?
 
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In the General Physics courses you really don't need much math. I never even used calculus, even though it was advertised as calc-based physics. And if you do use calc, it will most likely never go beyond simple integrals.

It doesn't matter too much, really. But I think I'd take Diff Eq's later, so you don't forget it over the summer. For some reason, it flew out of my head fast, whereas linear algebra is still there. Yeah, linear algebra is easier, though.
 

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