Optimal way to turn off a triac

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the optimal method for turning off a triac used to control mains power through an opto-isolator. Participants explore various approaches and concepts related to solid state relays, triac operation, and circuit design, without reaching a consensus on the best solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on how to turn off a triac without using relays or BJTs, indicating a need for a solid state solution.
  • Another participant suggests searching for "triac light switch" images to find relevant circuit designs.
  • A different participant shares a datasheet link for the MOC3020, questioning its current rating in relation to their requirement of 15 amps.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of not withholding information in the original post and refers to specific figures in the datasheet that may illustrate the necessary circuit design.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the relevance of the figures mentioned, stating that they are not looking for half conduction and are concerned about the challenges of turning off the triac.
  • A later reply clarifies that triacs are bidirectional and turn off automatically when the drive is removed, but notes that a commutating circuit is needed to turn them off mid-cycle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the operation of triacs and the methods for turning them off. There is no consensus on the best approach, and some participants challenge each other's understanding of triac functionality.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific requirements for the circuit design, including the need for high current handling and the implications of turning off a triac mid-cycle. Participants reference datasheets and tutorials, but the relevance and applicability of these resources remain debated.

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I'm trying to use a triac to turn on mains power (fused) with and opto-isolator but what is a good method to turn it off, high on low off, I'm not trying to short the mains or use a bjt on high power ac. if someone could give me a hint i'll figure it out from there.

thanks.:biggrin:

edit: no relays
 
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You are asking how to make a solid state relay.

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Just google "triac light switch" and look at the images to find one that looks like what you want to do.
 
I was just illustrating the concept. It helps if you don't keep secrets in the original post.

Did you look at figure 5,6, or 7 in the moc3020 datsheet you linked to?

Or, try figure 12 in the datasheet for the part you just posted a circuit for.
https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/MO/MOC3041M.pdf

It shows how to use the optically isolated driver to drive a power triac, which is what you need to do.

Have you read anything about triacs? Maybe this will help.
http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/power/triac.html

Here is a "make your own solid state relay" tutorial.
http://letsmakerobots.com/node/38000
 
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although I haven't read about triacs in a while I know their not what I want to use, half conduction was not what I was looking for, plus theirs still the problem with turning them off and just briefly looking at the datasheets and tuts about them they come with to many problems that I just don't feel like dealing with right now. this may be a dumb question but what do those figures have to do with anything?
 
? half conduction ? turn them off ?

maybe you need to read a little about triacs.
They're bidirectional.
They turn themselves off, just remove drive and wait for next sinewave zero crossing.

If you want to turn it off mid-cycle you'll have to add a commutating circuit.
 

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